Paysite Discussion Thread
miros1:
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I'd urge paysites and freesites to start taking advantage of free download hosting (sendspace, mediafire) and grouping their downloads.
Wrong answer. Ain't no free hosting worth having that will let you have zip files as downloads or are horribly limited on disk space or bandwidth or plaster your site with ads or popups or have so many other rules that you can't untangle them enough to figure out what you can have. I've looked. Face it, "free hosting" is intended for people who need to put up 20 pictures of Grandma's birthday party, not people who are going to have 100s of files downloaded 1000s of times per day!
I suspect the loophole that's allowing music file downloads from free hosting will be closed soon, since hosting music files for which you don't own the copyright is illegal by any measurement.
Also, stop implying that having a paysite is obviously wrong. Ain't nothing obviously wrong in the whole situation.
EA, the only one on your list with legal standing -- they can get cease-and-desist order if they really want no paysites. Until then, no matter what gets published with whatever attribution... it's hearsay at best and forgery at worst. Show me a legal document signed by a judge and published on the Maxis site, that's the only way you're ever gonna convince me that EA thinks it's wrong. Until then, it's de facto agreement that paysites are fine, since there's a whole list of them on the site, complete with the words Pay Site.
PMBD -- well, I've been to the MATY boards to get hack updates enough to know that some of those people are pitiful excuses for human beings.
MTS2 -- have you read their new policy? No reposting paysite content!
BTW, you never answered my previous questions:
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I don't see anyone with a physical or metaphysical gun to your head forcing you to download anything, pay or free!
How does the existence of pay content harm you? What do you feel you need "protection" from? Would you like to assume the hosting cost for your favorite pay sites so they could become free sites?
SolidGoldFunk:
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SGF it seems you seem ok with paysites, taking and giving money to creators basically. That is your choice but its rather silly when there's so much great free content available. We all know its time consuming, we all know there are bandwidth costs, but does that justify it especially if lots of people say its wrong (EA Games, MTS2, PMBD) and the quality can often be poor? I'd rather that great sites be freesites and that people donate to them accordingly.
I usually get my stuff for free! I discovered all of the paysites from MTS2. I'm just saying that if that's what they want to do then why shouldn't they be able to do it? If people want to pay for the stuff then that's on the person who's paying. I'm sure people who download CC know that there are many great free sites to download from but people CHOOSE to donate or just give their money to sites they feel deserving. How is that harming anyone? I don't see the hurt to EA or anyone else. I do however agree with PegasusDiana somewhat about the stealing portion however, people can get the tutorials anywhere and they choose not to waste their time. It's unfortunate that some of the people who charge are offering Shitty content but that's life. When you pay for anything online you can't be sure what you're going to get and that's the risk people take when they do it. When I pay, it's usually because I can see that something is worth it (IMO) and I've seen content that I didn't think was worth paying for but that's just me. People shouldn't complain about donating to paysites. We do have choices and if people are getting ripped off then that's tough for them and even me. What's done is done!
I also think that maybe the people who charge for CC are profiting on someone else's hardwork which should never happen, but that's human nature. People are going to take any opportunity they can get and run with it! I hate to be so cynical but that's life so I think we should just all deal with it! If you don't want to pay then don't and if you do then that's on you (me). I think that should be the end of that.
Athena
Phycosymo:
What I think of paysite owners is that they are people lazy enough to not get a job... paysites were originally created due to bandwith problems...
But now, its just ridiculous to make people pay them considering you can buy terrabytes for a couple of bucks... (Ive checked!) And if you are crazy enough to make a paysite, your stuff will get stolen by pirates!
I love PSMD's booty area...
djslippyman:
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Wrong answer. Ain't no free hosting worth having that will let you have zip files as downloads or are horribly limited on disk space or bandwidth or plaster your site with ads or popups or have so many other rules that you can't untangle them enough to figure out what you can have. I've looked. Face it, "free hosting" is intended for people who need to put up 20 pictures of Grandma's birthday party, not people who are going to have 100s of files downloaded 1000s of times per day!
I suspect the loophole that's allowing music file downloads from free hosting will be closed soon, since hosting music files for which you don't own the copyright is illegal by any measurement.
Also, stop implying that having a paysite is obviously wrong. Ain't nothing obviously wrong in the whole situation.
Well your implying that the entire music blog industry is incorrect on how to share files. Being able to download miusic files from these sites is widespread and works amazingly well. I'd say music blogging is the new p2p. So I completely refute your arguments. I think today's kids could weave around the spam on them much better than "granny" could to get her pictures.
As for if doing music downloads this way is illegal or not is kind of the same thing as saying whether paying for sims downloads should be illegal or not. I'd say yes, you obviously say no. I know where you stand and yes I think you are in the wrong if you support paysites. It's ridiculous to claim that copyrighted music sharing is illegal (you are right) and say that sim paysites selling CC is not (they don't a copyright on the items they sell and you can't sell Sims CC. Read the EULA).
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EA, the only one on your list with legal standing -- they can get cease-and-desist order if they really want no paysites. Until then, no matter what gets published with whatever attribution... it's hearsay at best and forgery at worst. Show me a legal document signed by a judge and published on the Maxis site, that's the only way you're ever gonna convince me that EA thinks it's wrong. Until then, it's de facto agreement that paysites are fine, since there's a whole list of them on the site, complete with the words Pay Site.
I've seen EA's staements, they are clear as day. You say they have to actually sue someone before you take them seriously. People against paysites are getting involved so it dosen't need to be escalated to that level yet.
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PMBD -- well, I've been to the MATY boards to get hack updates enough to know that some of those people are pitiful excuses for human beings.
Well they've done more for hacks then any paysite i know (even simslice). Not surprised to see a value judgement on their whole community from you.
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MTS2 -- have you read their new policy? No reposting paysite content!
You didn't read it well enough, its no paysite material period. You can't post "get Peggy's hair for this sim here" anymore and advertise for a paysite mesh or item. That includes TSR. If its got any paysite content in or part of the upload its banned. No paysite material allowed. Its going to go 100% freesite and I applaud them for it.
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I don't see anyone with a physical or metaphysical gun to your head forcing you to download anything, pay or free!
How does the existence of pay content harm you? What do you feel you need "protection" from? Would you like to assume the hosting cost for your favorite pay sites so they could become free sites?
I, like the freesites, choose to use my freetime as i see fit. If that's arguing against paysites (or making my own CC) then that's how I choose to use my time. I'm not getting payed to do it, and I don't think creators need to get paid for their freetime as well. If you love the Sims to it for the game, not the money.
I feel paysites harm the community as they put the Sims in a position where many creator sites are feeding off the community. You just won't see other game communities doing paid CC and the same dishonorable activities. I think its's wrong and EA should have acted sooner but it did not.
You can use free-website hosting to show your designs and I've already illustrated how you can host your files and pay for bandwidth by off-site file hosting. That makes a freesite able to pull off. I've run plenty of free blogs and websites in the last 10 years to know that its completely possible. If you choose to ignore what I've recommended that's fine. I wouldn't expect you to see the light.
SolidGoldFunk:
I don't think you read the rules carefully djslippyman... "Items that are always free for download on a site that also contains donation or pay items are ok."
That's directly from the site... just a copy and paste! I don't see why you have to be so demanding about your choice. You can't say that someone isn't "seeing the light" because they don't do things your way... it's just not right but it's a part of human nature so I won't fault you for it;)
Also, why shouldn't people get paid for doing something they love? I love fashion but I'll be damned if I'm not going to get paid to do it. If I ever learned how to make cc then I wouldn't charge only because of personal choice. I think if you've already bought the game then that should be enough. I don't care if I had the best CC to offer, I would not charge for it because playing the Sims2 is a hobby (IMO).
You have your opinion so let everyone else have theirs... there's no need for calling people's ideas silly and whatever else you can think of.
Athena
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