Paysite Discussion Thread
Tenshii~Akari:
(I know, I'm really, really random with posting in this topic sometimes, but I just had to get this 'little' tidbit on how the outside world sees us simmers and the issue of pay vs. free content.)
I decided to get an opinion from a few "non-biased" sources today... or just three people who don't know about the online Sims community, just to be fair.
I just had an interesting conversation with my older brother on this subject a few hours ago. (a heavy gamer) He's played The Sims before, but hasn't touched a Sims game since the original came out... and even then he didn't play it that much, nor did he know about custom content and paysites. As soon as I brought up the subject about the paysite debate on the web, of course he did a double take. His reaction was just about the same as mine when I first found out about them...
"People actually pay for that stuff? Pssh. Goes to show how far people will go just to put money in their pockets..."
He also said that any game company that doesn't give a care about who's selling what parts of their game code is "just plain stupid." (:dontknow: This is actually a debatable statement. I think it was a genius move, because if they didn't have a tight reign on their DBPF ".package" file format coding, there wouldn't be all the decent game fixes, cool mods, and helpful development tools made by the community. Personally, I think if they just come out with a more noticeable official statement, then some people won't have to question their business sense like he did.)
Then I asked a friend of mine from school earlier today. Unlike my brother, he plays sims, but he doesn't know anything outside of the official site, or too much on custom content at that. When he asked me about all of the different clothes, objects, etc. I had in my game, I gave props to here, MTS2, and other free sites. Then I asked him how would he feel if he found out he had to pay for some of the stuff he was pining for from my game. He looked at me, laughed, and said, "You're kidding me, right? I don't need all that stuff that badly." Of course, I took the time to tell him that people actually did that, and needless to say, he was just as surprised as my brother. (Especially after he checked out PeggySims2 for the first time. I think he almost had heart palpitations when he saw the subscription prices. :lol: )
Lastly, I asked the person who knows the least about games: my mom. :smile bi: Simply put: she thinks we're all a bunch of nuts and fanatics... and that we should be doing something more productive in life other than sitting at the computer and "screamin' back 'n forth" about what's supposed to be done with a game. And that's the nicer version of it... :roll:
These people think we're Class A weird. :eh: Oh well...
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Now, getting back to the original topic:
I can't really speak for everyone, but I think the "protecting the community" claim is still legit enough for me. Well... not so much as protecting, but "shedding light on the shadowy spots" would probably be more like it. I actually have to thank the ones who started the in-your-face approach. I would've never known all of the good and bad points of what's happening in the community if it wasn't for them. With more and more people learning about both sides of the issue every day, I think that should still count for anti-paysite believers speaking out more openly, and sites like InSim, MTS2, and PMBD allowing it.
And in a small defense: some people still do care about the overall Sims community. Not everyone should be categorized as self-righteous just because they change their opinion on the EULA and legal rights, but not on file sharing. No accusations here... just needed to get that off my chest. I know someone out there reading this and the other threads had to be thinking that. ;)
SolidGoldFunk:
Yeah, I have to admit that I thought you guys were being self-righteous. It just doesn't seem fair to bring EA into this and then when they do something about it, criticize them for it. All is supposed to be friendly here right? So why not make the change now and stop arguing about who's right and who's wrong. Let's just respect everyone whether you like them or not. This should not turn into anything more than it has to. If PMBD wants to stay up and you want to raid it then by all means but wouldn't that be hypocritical to do? I don't think that protecting the community is a valid point. If you want stuff that bad then you're gonna pay for it. Obviously not too many people had or has a problem with paysites since people were buying from places like Peggysims2. So let people do their own thing and enjoy the freakin' game! That will "protect" the community in the long run, IMHO. So let's all hug now:group hu:
PegasusDiana:
Ok like an idiot I downloaded home crafter plus just to see what the thingy says and here is how it reads, I had to delete the old one first to get the new one to install: I have a serious question at the end of this for any paysite owner or those cheering saying EA is going to support paysites to please give me an honest answer.
It's a lot different then the content manager one. Your all welcome to go and download it, it can be found on the website. I think it's like the other guy told me it's because you can't create CC with the Content Manager. But this is neither here nor there. EA is allowing discussions on paysites to be allowed on the BBS now. They know there are paysites, they know about the Pirate site. They know people are uploading paid content to the BBS. They haven't done a thing for either side. So both sides of the coin are just batting in the wind. EA doesn't want to dirty their hands and alienate either side to loose fans. We can argue day and night but it isn't going to solve this issue. Spore won't come with anyway to sell CC and neither will Sims 3 we already know this. Both programs are going to come with CC makers, but you won't be able to sell the CC. The difference? EA is going in from the beginning in both Spore and Sims 3. They came in on the tail end of Sims 2 and owning "all" rights. How long before it comes out? Not long at all. :) Just go to a show and you'll see how CC will be handled for the games. Oh and when your there ask Will what he thinks about paysites, and how he's boosom buddies with any fansite owner that goes or is invited to the shows. That's all I'm going to say on this matter. I've called EA legal more than once, and now I've gone to a one night show that cost too much money just to be told the same thing I have been told all along. I'm done. People are going to twist the EULA to suit their needs on both sides. So there is no sense in arguing it anymore.
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Ok I have a serious question now and I would like for paysite owners or those cheering saying EA is going to support paysites to use a little common sense when answering this question.
Did Subway agree to the EULA? Did Disney? Did Gucci? Did McDonalds? Did Donna Race? Did Jessica Galbreth? Did Ruth Moorehead? Did A&F? Christian Dior? Marjolein Bastin? Ralph Lauren? Tommy Hilfiger? Anyone from a whole list of artist, designers, companies owning trademark/copyright? No they did not.
So why on God's green earth would EA open themselves up to lawsuits from any one of these people/companies for actively supporting paysites? If you own one of these companies are you going to sue some tiny website or are you going to go after the people with money? Your going to go after EA and if EA supports paysites, guess who they are going to go after? EA. Especially when they find out that EA is supporting the sale of their copyrighten/trademarked material. So I ask again why would EA support/endorse paysites? Do you seriously think/believe they are willing to jeopordize or take a chance on loosing millions if not billions as the lawsuits pile up to support a few fans? Oh wait you didn't agree to the EULA? Doh, EA may not have some of the brightest bulbs in the package, but no way will they set themselves up for something like that.
SolidGoldFunk:
So can we just hug now?:D
PegasusDiana:
Hey remember I'm with you! I'm one of those that has paid for CC and I don't download from the booty, but I sure love all those pirates and their give em hell attitudes. hehe
Ok HUGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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