Paysite Discussion Thread
Nymphy:
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So how did these FAs find out the stuff in order to share it in the first place?
ETA: OMG just read on further and yes it's the owner of TSR himself doing it. So how does he manage to sit there typing up a blatant denial? There are some very strange people about.
Indeed. Was about to answer you saying it was the site owner when you edited it in
As you can see from the screenshots, that thread has been going on since 2007 and is available for all staff and FAs to see - that is rather a large amount, as it includes FAs past and present.
Are people comfortable with that amount of people seeing their personal information? Do you think that creators on a site deserve to see information like mods and admins do? And what do people think about the fact that there are screenshots proving TSR have done this, and then they publically deny it?
Eta: I was typing when you posted. You are correct, I did know that this had gone on before..but knowing is one thing, seeing it is another. Am frankly shocked by the rudeness of it all, and as there is strong evidence this time (before there were only some screenshots, like the one of Rose you mentioned) it should be known to more people. Personal information is something that we all have, and privacy and trust are very important to members on a site.
kathy:
Quote from: Nymphy;1412544
Indeed. Was about to answer you saying it was the site owner when you edited it in
As you can see from the screenshots, that thread has been going on since 2007 and is available for all staff and FAs to see - that is rather a large amount, as it includes FAs past and present.
Are people comfortable with that amount of people seeing their personal information? Do you think that creators on a site deserve to see information like mods and admins do? And what do people think about the fact that there are screenshots proving TSR have done this, and then they publically deny it?
And Kathy, am adding this on as you may be interested in it: LyricLee's involvement in the thread involved her saying that paysites have the right to share information about filesharers the same way they have the right to share information about paedophiles in the online community. She believes both are harmful in the same way and should be driven out through sharing of information.
Ok first off I think as a site owner there is certain information that you do not and should not share with other admins or moderators. Anyone with half a brain should know this.
Also file sharing is as harmful as a pedophile? Well that is news to me. That is the most ignorant and insulting thing I have heard in quite awhile. Since when did filesharing leave a child terrified and completely shattered because some sick son of a bitch felt he had a right to touch them?
Nymphy:
As a moderator on a forum, the only information I have access to is usernames, email adresses and IP adresses..thats it. I have access to it, but do nothing with it outside of mod duties (eg, so IP tracking to catch multiple accounts is a mod duty). I can see it because I am a mod, so anything I do with it will be what a mod should do. The phrase 'know when to not cross the line' springs to mind here...
The whole concept of sharing personal information like that just befuddles me, but am curious if people think paysites should be able to do this.
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Also file sharing is as harmful as a pedophile? Well that is news to me. That is the most ignorant and insulting thing I have heard in quite awhile. Since when did filesharing leave a child terrified and completely shattered because some sick son of a bitch felt he had a right to touch them?
Unfortunately, the posts by Lyric containing that have been edited so those bits have disappeared. This is some of it though:
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I'll be the hated devil's advocate here. But I don't think its a huge to-do in my opinion. (ducks flying stones and objects)
I think theres no difference from sharing names than when you walkin a store and you see signs like "don't accept checks from so and so_ because theyve been known to bounce.
The point actually begins with the fact that the person who shared content from TSR, when they signed up chose to agree to the terms of that site to NOT share content. They violated that agreement first. No one is sharing paypal info in order to hack peoples accounts or steal from them, theyre sharing names in order to block people who are known to redistribute in violation of the site terms and atleast it was done in a private forum.
I know several sites, a few years ago that shares emails of a known pedophile who was going from sim site to sim site posting videos depicting very vulgar acts with sim children. The sites shared his email in order to protect their sites from him. No one complained about that.
As long as someone's info isnt being spammed all over the internet, and they infact are stealing content I just don't think its a horrible problem. If you don't want your info shared (in attempts to protect sites from more personal damage) just don't violate their terms.
Just my two cents.
..So theres evidence that I was not making it up (don't want to be accused of doing so!) , she did say it but the post has since then been altered to remove it. My reaction to it was the same as yours Kathy
kathy:
First off the pedophile... Some dude posted a video on S2C that was, in my opinion and others, porn that involved children. He was registered on MTS2, S2C and here. His email address nor his ip address was shared on my end. I pointed out to either Delphy or Lyric that this guy belonged to some girllover site and after he posted said video there he was banned. I had already banned him from here since he was requesting child woohoo among other things. This guy is a legit danger to the community. This is a man that wants to have, as he admitted, intercourse with children. If other people shared his email address, which is doubtful, that is different than sharing someones real name and home address.
Also the check thing made me giggle.. I don't know wtf kind of stores she is shopping at but no store I have ever been to has had such sign posted.
One last thing.. Lyric shared files. Constantly on msn. She sent them to me. She sent them to staff members on this site. She sent them to staff members on other sites. I would share files on msn as well. Not saying it's right or it isn't because I have long since removed myself from the whole paysite debate just saying people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Tenshii~Akari:
(Slight paranoia in this rant, but it's stuff that could've happened y'know...)
I just finished reading the latest installment to this "info sharing saga"... while this isn't new material for me, once again, I am disgusted at what I'm seeing with the whole concept of that captured thread. That information, regardless of how little it may seem or even if it was a "private" forum, has no right to be handed out to anyone in such a manner. It wouldn't be a big deal if it was just user names, but they had to go in and add people's real names also... which I'm highly sure those listed do not appreciate at all. No one beyond the administration should know that info, and for one of the co-owners of the site to use blatant disregard to that fact is quite disturbing for me. All of this for something as simple and comparably insignificant as a few DBPF package files being shared... This whole security issue could've been prevented had they not openly shared with their FA's... and even though the incriminating screenshots have censored the real names of those listed, the fact of the matter is this:
Suppose Coconut was not the type of person that he/she is... and that instead of warning everyone about this happening, decided to take this list and use it as a way of taking someone's identity? (If you're reading, Coconut, no offense to you... I have a great amount of respect for you coming out and sharing the truth about this.) Granted, there's not that much information on that list other than people's names, user names, and a few emails, but that's all a person needs to get started on finding out more information about a potential victim. Speaking on what a police officer once talked about in a seminar about identity theft, you'd be amazed at what you can find on a person, even by using Google these days... one could perform a search for your user name to see where you've signed up at around the web, and if you've been quite active in releasing any sort of detail about yourself, they'll do whatever it takes to find it and add on to what else they know about you.
It's the sad, sick truth that people like that are out there in the world. You can't just trust anyone with people's information and release it like that, private or otherwise. Hypothetically speaking, out of all the FA's that have gone through that thread before, how many are still even active to this day? And suppose any of the FA's that are gone had done the same as Coconut by taking screenshots of or copying and pasting those names elsewhere, only for other motives rather than exposé? It may sound paranoid and tainting of me to say that, but you never know what people intend to do.
They may think it's fine to cover up such a fact by deleting dissenting posts about their actions, but seeing it the way that I've mentioned, this could've been a lot worse for everyone than what it is now had there been someone like that in their ranks. I truly wish the best for those on that list, and however many other "blacklists" there may be. It's ridiculous how bent out of shape people can get over sharing a bunch of stuff for digital people... whatever happened to the concept of just playing the game and having fun? Yeesh... :angry7:
(I sorry if this stings people, but this is just how I feel deep down in my heart about the whole thing. I've always believed we, as a community, were supposed to be having fun instead of having to deal with and worry about safety risks such as this... and it's frustrating when I see it happening, and feel that no amount of what I say will matter much in how certain people will continue to act in the example that has been shown to us...)
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