Paysite Discussion Thread
sabrasivonsky:
Pegasus, I think you're right. As far as EA's concerned, this is a matter of contract and not necessarily of copyright. But EULA's (i.e., terms of use contracts) are very hard to enforce and don't tend to stand up in court (if they ever get that far).
babyblue, I think your teacher may have been talking about trademarks, not copyrights. If they're not enforced, they break down (like Kleenex--the company tries very hard legally to prevent the use of the term Kleenex to refer to other facial tissues, because it will lose its trademark if the name becomes commonly used that way. Other examples are Scotch tape and Xerox.)
babyblue1387:
Well, I was half asleep, so maybe he did say trademark. But I could have sworn it was copyrights. Oh well. I'll pay more attention next semester, lol!
BeosBoxBoy:
As this discussion has continued and is now on the matter of copyrights and how they are automatically granted by law for the work we undertake to create; I return to my original state and position: The EULA is extra-legal because of the pre-attachment of copyright ownership for all content made with Body Shop and in .package files by EA.
The EULA is the foundation of the "legal argument" that seeks to directly involve EA in this matter.
The point Kathy raises is not a matter which is not germane to this topic, but rather one that should be raised by the original mesh/texture creators on these other sites. Whereas it may be unscrupulous or unethical or amoral, it does not directly adhere to the matter of the legal right of pay-sites for content for The Sims 2 to exist.
I am not poo-pooing the matter, but it is not my fight to fight. Nor is it in any way right for me to impose my moral or ethical views on another, there is a name for that, it's called tyranny. Something which I cannot believe is ever right.
So first and last, if we discuss only the salient matters, it boils down to the same questions: do they or don't they have a right to exist under the law? do we or don't we own the copyright on our own work? do we or don't we have the right to share or sell our own work?
It doesn't matter that some people don't obey the law, this is the case with every law every constructed by the mind of man. It bothers me not at all that someone out there right this minute is breaking a law. It has ever been this way. All that matters to me is how can I obey the law and defend my rights to my creations, when a large section of the community is being moved to believe I have no rights to my own work since some leaders in the anti-pay-site movement choose to express an interpretation of the law that contends I have no rights to my own work because of the EULA in complete defiance of existing laws in most nations.
bedtbug:
Interesting thread to read. But, in my humble opinion, if EA would make decent items for our Sims and include them in their EP's some people may not support paysites. Another opinion is that the "stuff" packs they put out between EP's are not worth the price half the time. Seems to me they take items they have already created..do a little change here and there and voila...new item when in reality it is old with new knobs, colors and just maybe they think we are too stupid to see it. Most of the items, including clothing, belong in the 50's, 60's they haven't passed the millenium yet.
Now for the paysites....ever notice that at the paysites they offer "free" items..usually the ones that are not popular and quite ugly..except maybe for some meshes? I stay away from them for the most part. I stick with InSim and MTS2. I have tried making my own things and forget it; I suck at it, plain and simple. But whether a pay site or a free sight, kudos go to the designers and modders for all their hard work amd the time they give of themselves to make the game more interesting, etc. However, I would rather donate to sight like this where I can be involved in the forums and download nice things from our wonderful designers and modders. Speaking of which another donation will be on it's way soon . Copyrights and contracts with EA bore me and since I am not breaking any rules, I really haven't anything to say about it. You all said it greatly throughout the thread.
PegasusDiana:
Quote from: beosboxboy;761609
It doesn't matter that some people don't obey the law, this is the case with every law every constructed by the mind of man. It bothers me not at all that someone out there right this minute is breaking a law. It has ever been this way. All that matters to me is how can I obey the law and defend my rights to my creations, when a large section of the community is being moved to believe I have no rights to my own work since some leaders in the anti-pay-site movement choose to express an interpretation of the law that contends I have no rights to my own work because of the EULA in complete defiance of existing laws in most nations.
Beos I hate to say it but I don't think this should have anything to do with the EA. This to me is a simple matter of common decency and respect. It doesn't matter to me if it's pay or free I would fight for someone wronged in either situation, and I have several people know this. Like I said it's one thing to share a file...we all have shared a file with friends so I'm not going to pass judgement on those who do, I have a mirror. Weather it's music, desktop wallpaper, etc...but to rip a file apart, to claim the work is wrong. We have a right to disagree with an idea, to fight against that idea. We have 0 right to attack or try to destroy someone just because they believe differently than ourselves.
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