Paysite Discussion Thread
Dr_Pixel:
Personally, I have no problem with paysites - I don't run one, and I don't pay to download from them. There is more than enough to download from free sites, and the free sections of paysites, to suit me.
I also don't download from those "filesharing" sites - I think they do a dis-service by making paysite items look like they are a "must have", somehow better than free site stuff. I also think they are disrespectful of the creators. I don't see how you can respect any of the creators if you don't respect them all - the same work and effort went into an item whether it is offered for free or on a paysite.
That said, I do have a question for those who are anti-paysite. What positive benefit do you see to the community that would result if all the paysites were gone?
Do you think people would be more inclined to donate to free sites? I don't, most people won't voluntarily donate if they can get something for free. Look at the small percentage of downloaders who actually bother to even click the "thanks" button at MTS2 for example, and that costs nothing....
Captain_Shepard:
Dr Pixel, People hit the thanks button if they want to. It's a not a obligation.
About the paysites, I know that there are people who work a lot to make custom content for the sims 2 but in this world people are only satisfied when they see money.
But then you start to think : Why should I spend money on something that doesn't even have a physical form?
Normally people spend their money on stuff that actually exist. I'm not saying a file of mesh doesn't exist but spending 5 $ on it? In my country 5$ are 3 euros.
With 3 euros you can buy many things which have physical proprieties ( Groceries )
So I think that everyone should share their creations still being able to leave a mark on the file claiming the creation has its own. And I hope someday EA Games takes some action agaisn't sites like Peggy or TSR.
BeosBoxBoy:
Teren Rox, I believe you miss the point of Dr Pixel's very keen observation and long experience as a free site owner here: people don't donate in sufficient quantity to off-set the costs of every high traffic free site. Considering the regularity that free sites have cost over-runs and the short-fall that results in donation drives, should be more than adequate proof of this.
I see no more equity in the support of a free site being shouldered by 5% of its members for every yahoo that drifts in off the Internet, than I see in the forced maintenace of a site by all members regardless of the quality of the downloads.
The reality of the Internet is it all costs more than you want to believe, and someone has to pay for the bandwidth.
Larxene, There is a strong difference between a totally self-made creation and using the copyrighted characters of a fictional work. no few of the meshes I have made are my own previously copyrighted work imported into the game. Yes totally mine, copyrighted with all the proper paperwork, etc. How EA/Maxis can invalidate my pre-existing copyright is a matter for jurists, and not a matter that can be reduced to the same sort of example you provide. In point of case, the complaint I have careful expressed in this thread.
In view of your illustration, marriage is a contract. Therefore, based on your reasoning, as I understand it, there could never be a possibility for divorce or independent thought, creativity, or individualism while married.
Captain_Shepard:
Well then I want to apologise to Dr Pixel for my '' rude '' commentaries!
I know people don't donate much ( like me ) and should donate to the free sites.
Just say I haven't donate a thing yet because of bad experiences with the internet.
Nymphy:
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Look at the small percentage of downloaders who actually bother to even click the "thanks" button at MTS2 for example, and that costs nothing....
Now that is something that gets to me.
TSR is in many ways a 'bad' paysite, but as a fan site it does many good things (thats debatable..). And it surprises me that the attitude of people there is better then say MTS2. People at TSR click thanks, leave a comment, post in a guestbook and even PM a creator to say thank you - whereas members at MTS2 will at the most click thanks. That thourougly disappoints me...
I agree mostly with your statement, as it is very very true. I think the community needs a major attitude change from bashing creators, to being more thankful and appreciative. Its only a small thing to click 'thanks', but it makes a big difference...
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Do you think people would be more inclined to donate to free sites? I don't, most people won't voluntarily donate if they can get something for free.
I disagree...I think a lot of people to donate to a sites that are free. But more so when that site is in trouble..just look at NoukieSims and MTS2, when they stated that they needed donations they got a lot.
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As it stands, I am against paysites as, from what EA has said so far, it is illegal to sell content, and I also like the idea that all content is shared in the community. But I would rather see an official statement saying that...hopefully it will happen soon :angel:
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