ITS NOT WORTH IT!
fytj:
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If a programming team knows their sh*t, this kind of thing does not happen. I mean we're not talking tiny bugs here, we're talking hard crashes, horrible audio clipping, and a huge memory leak. This is amatuerish at best. I've tested for up and coming developers and those developers have put out beta software that's more stable than this.
Oh come on! The Sims 2 is not some tiny little game where you have to shoot things or pass levels; it is a LIFE simulation. And as we all know, life is a very BIG thing so it is normal for a programming team to miss some bugs. And it's not like they don't fix it and let us down: after all, they make patches(which in my opinion is not a shame, a LOT of great games will need fixing after they've been released). I personally haven't had ANY bugs so far and I feel like it was money well spent. If you really think that the Sims 2 programers' work is so crappy then just keep your money and don't play the bloody game instead of calling people who work hard on this "amateurs". I'm not saying that you're not right with the quality/profit thing, I'm just saying that in the end it is the person with the wallet (you) who decides what to do. Nobody FORCES you to buy the game so if you think that The Sims 2 is not good enough in your opinon, just don't buy it.
I feel sorry for people who have crashes and stuff cause I know how frustrating it is but this is just silly: Claiming that a game is "not worth it" without even playing it might be THE most ridiculous thing I've heard on this board so far.
And don't forget that A LOT of problems can be avoided by upgrading and cleaning your computer. I bet that at least 50% of the people who're having major crashes and stuff didn't correctly prepare their computer for the new expansion...
Deviancy:
First off, I never said the base game was coded poorly. The base game was about as flacid as a republican prior to the cool custom content, but it worked pretty damn well. When I said the game was coded poorly, I meant Bon Voyage. And how would I know if Bon Voyage had all these issues unless I installed it first? And how am I supposed to install it without buying it first?
See here's the problem with your wallet statement..
You see a game.. it looks good.. you have to buy it to play it. If you don't like it.. tough. They don't allow you to return it for a cash refund. Sure, you can sell it on Ebay and lose 60% of what you paid for it, but that's illogical. So you realize you're stuck with this poorly coded piece of software.. so do you take it up the ass like a choirboy or do you speak your mind and tell others how poorly made the product is?
Secondly, "shoot things or pass levels"? If you mean first person shooters, you must really love Maxis. Most of first person shooters have a far more advanced AI than the Sims, not only a more advanced AI but superior in every other way as well, from graphics to audio. But that's two different genres of games so it really isn't fair to compare the two.
If Maxis releases a patch for this within the week and it fixes the issues.. I'll take back what I said about them being amateurs. If it takes longer than a month though.. that'll show just how much they care about the consumers ;).
Third, how many here do you think actually do buy the games and don't just pirate them? That would make an interesting poll if people were honest.
ancienthighway:
I'm beginning to lean towards the amateur position. Not because of the bugs or poor consideration for hardware available on the market, but because of the code I've been looking at and working with, along with what I've picked up from twojeffs and jase439.
Advertising for those obsessive beach activities are ridiculously high. It's taken me 2 days to come up with a way to defeat their advertising and put in on a reasonable level.
WoohooTeens for BV was delayed so long because a completely new method of woohoo was coded for the hammocks. The sauna and tent were straight forward using the same method as beds, cars, hottubs, photobooths, and changing booths.
Simple mods like Jordi's weird clothing hiders suddenly don't work. No new clothing categories were added with BV. Only noticeable change for clothing is you can now plan clothing at clothing booths. Poof, no more hiders.
Then there's the massage table. It's not currently teen enabled, so I go in to make a simple change to the menu. Enable teens. That's it. But there is no TTAB or menu functions in the semi-global file. Rather than a small change, I had to clone the object to get the table. No problem. Click, click. Teen enabled. But now it's disabled for adults to initiate asking for or receiving a massage. Teen can do it and the adult become involved, but not the other way. Somewhere buried in the code is a check that requires the recipient of a massage to be an adult or elder. Parents, you cannot give your child a massage. Huh?
From several other coders, this new code for BV looks like it was put together by first year computer science majors as part of their entrance exam to the program. The majority of the experienced programmers are probably working on TS3 with a handful sprinkled between BV, the Teen Stuff Pack, and the Hobbies EP.
It's still EA that controls the project's release date and the amount of money and other resources available for this project and others they have in the works. Perhaps with more resources and time the coding could have been cleaner. In any case, the programmers don't appear to have approached this EP with the same half ass approach they have with the others. This one shows their full ass.
Dizi:
Let me be clear first that I have no idea about the problems modders, creators, and such have. If you were to show me a line of code all I could say is "Gee, that's nice." So, honestly, I do admire that YOU can see and understand all that. Really. However, the average player who can't see the problems you do, like me, who gets this expansion, removes all mods and has it work for them just fine, can be very happy with it. We'll all be very grateful for the changes and mods you make but we really cannot concieve of your frustrations. As far as we know, the game is fine and wonderful. Personally, I prefer to keep that feeling about the game, otherwise I would have quit playing it long ago.
~dizi
ancienthighway:
Oh, don't get me wrong. My game is working fine. Before I was happy. Now I'm amazed! lol
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