Apartment Life = Satantist?
ragingtexan:
Quote from: spookymuffin;1362279
And here I thought I was on the internet, a network that includes every country in the world...
Hadn't realised that I had been in America all this time. Wow.
As for commending someone because they have blind faith in something like this; it makes me very uncomfortable. What is so commendable about following something blindly until you become this irrational? I think that that kind of behaviour is deplorable! What good can come from such an attitude?
The sims2 is a game, a game with no real religious elements in it (thankfully) and for someone to see satanism in the Hollywood parody of a different religion entirely? That's a little crazy.
Also, so what if it was "satanist"? Satanism is a religion just as much as Christianity, does she ban people on her site for being any religion other than Christian?
For me I see no difference between someone who is Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Satanist, Pagan or whatever.
Che, some people need to get over themselves.
What are you doing on the internet with your rationale and understanding?!!?! You'd better leave now.
hillsim1:
Wow, this is a lot of talk about only one site and the owner's beliefs... before I take sides, let me remind you all that we are all in a society, where, believe it or not, we are entitled to believe whatever we want... Because someone wants to take a stand against something does not mean that they should be ridiculed or talked about.
It does not necessarily show ignorance, it could be a fear, or dislike, or just because of the teachings one has had. Just as some are taught that witches are satanistic, others are taught the opposite.
True that it is just a game, but each person plays it for different reasons and should be allowed to do so...
I happen to dislike the witches, vampires, werewolves, zombies, plantsims, etc... I just play it for the sims (people, dogs, and cats).
Please do not be so quick to dismiss another persons views, what would happen if you were to take a stand against something, anything?
Firestar:
After my last small comment I've been reading all this with interest. Zeph, my game is more evil than yours. I have everything you could condemn in mine because of my writing - including a couple of your gorgeous gay guys and several witches.
But seriously, I am a witch. I guess its kind of obvious. I am happy with who and what I am. I'm not a satanist. Don't believe in him. Do believe in evil. I respect everyone's beliefs and also think everyone has a right to follow their own path. I also believe that originally benevolant symbols like the pentgram and the swastika have been perverted in the eyes of the world by misuse or misrepresentation.
However, Sims is a game... the witches are fairytale silly. (Although I would like to point out I don't use green base...prefer to by my makeup at Lancome or Clarins). I am not offended in any way by the representation. If DL is and chooses to exclude part of the game for that reason it will likely be her loss. I don't know her. I haven't read her threads. I'm a little sorry for anyone as narrow minded as people seem to suggest she is. But all faiths have been persecuted at some time. All have their good and bad elements and people. That is the way we humans are made. We think everyone should fit in a little box and fear the different.
We should remember though that this is just a game and not get our knickers in a twist over it.
Lael:
Quote from: hillsim1;1362298
Wow, this is a lot of talk about only one site and the owner's beliefs... before I take sides, let me remind you all that we are all in a society, where, believe it or not, we are entitled to believe whatever we want... Because someone wants to take a stand against something does not mean that they should be ridiculed or talked about.
It does not necessarily show ignorance, it could be a fear, or dislike, or just because of the teachings one has had. Just as some are taught that witches are satanistic, others are taught the opposite.
True that it is just a game, but each person plays it for different reasons and should be allowed to do so...
I happen to dislike the witches, vampires, werewolves, zombies, plantsims, etc... I just play it for the sims (people, dogs, and cats).
Please do not be so quick to dismiss another persons views, what would happen if you were to take a stand against something, anything?
The object of starting all of this, if I understand Kathy correctly, was to get various opinions on this subject. When one chooses to accept something blindly and state it as a fact without bothering to check on it, it is in fact ignorance. It cannot be explained away as anything else. Just because you are taught something, especially within religious context, does not make it true. When you take the time to examine and study a subject, within and outside of religious dogma, then you can make a claim that is not in ignorance.
To make the claim that someone is demonic, well, I cannot give credence to such a person's ability to make statements on another religion. No more so than when that same individual refuses correction on incorrect assumptions made in ignorance of fact. I would be doing myself a disservice and society by simply saying nothing. They will still have the same opinion, no doubt, as they did before I stuck my long winded foot in it.
To accept blindly, without study or careful thought, that is the very essence of ignorance. This is the way that tyrants and genocides have gained their power within the world through the ages. It is how books are burned and ideas stagnate because they fall outside of religious dogma.
While each is entitled to their own preferred flavor of worship, to do so in a manner that is disrespectful of others is hardly acceptable. When your beliefs become an infliction and pain to those outside of yours, why are we to say nothing? You mention taking a stand. This is exactly what is being done. Yet you take it back with the other hand. We shouldn't be taking a stand against what said and done because it is her right to do what she did. That is true. And now we exercise our rights to discuss and disagree with those same actions. You cannot have it both ways. It applies equally or not at all.
This isn't dismissing views, by the way. It is disagreeing on the foundation of knowledge and its application. At the very least, it is discussing plain rudeness in expression. The original words used were meant to be negative and insulting. Kind of hard to just swallow that without needing some Heimlich. Silence = condoning. Therefor I am not silent.
Enayla:
I feel a little like embellishing what I said earlier.
First of all, I do not know DLMulsow, I have no quarrel with her and I’m not going to judge her based on what I’ve heard here or what others might say. I’ll go ahead and make my mental sketch from what I’ve read of what she has said instead, which is her public announcement and then later her replies to the people discussing the issue with her in the specific thread on her forum.
Having said that, I’ve been enough amused by her reaction that I’ve told my friends about it and some have even read her letter – I would have done the same if it had been a Wiccan forum forbidding the use of Santa-imagery due to Christianity, because that would have been just about as ridiculous. It is true that she has the right to kick whoever she likes out of her forum but with that, it’s also true that they have the right to speak openly about their opinions of her elsewhere, and that the rest of us can talk about the issue as well. It’s only fair. There’s obviously no room to discuss it with her so this is the only venue.
I’ve run a couple of forums in my days, and though I’m not a Christian, I’ve never once kicked anyone out for showing a picture of baby Jesus or daring to defend their beliefs to me.
I’ve laughed a bit about what DLMulsow has done, since I first read it, but I understand that it’s also genuinely upsetting for those that were kicked out – it sucks to find out that someone you admired has such a narrow view of the world.
At the end of the day, what happened was as absurd as someone deciding that a teletubby is gay because it has a handbag, and just as insulting and belittling to every party involved… not to mention the loss of respect DLMulsow will suffer from the incident.
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