Apartment Life = Satantist?
Tomkat:
Thats ridiculous -
and it discriminates against real life witches (wiccans etc) by calling them satanic.
Besides... those fanatics that bash "witches/wizards" like sims now, and harry potter etc -> I hope they dont read fairytales to their kids, or were read them as children. Since every fairytale would also be satanic by comparison.
I pity the fools.
NikonSnow:
Quote from: kimmyfrmtx;1362162
Some people may be offended by symbols used by the witches in the new EP.
Which symbols, the sparkles or the flying?
(Edited to add this comment was completely facetious. Because fairytales in video games are apparently Serious Buisness. :happy8:)
shc:
I would like to state from the outset that I am Wiccan.
When I first started reading this thread I had reserved judgement because I thought that maybe, just maybe people may have taken something this DL had said out of proportion.
As I understand it from information on this thread, DL, a confessed christian and fansite administrator had asked in a post/email that with the coming release of AL and it's inclusions of witches that only non-satanic content for/about this to be posted on her site in respect of her beliefs, (which I thought was reasonable). In this post she uses up-side down crosses and pentagrams as an example of such.
When I read that I thought well she is not saying that AL witches or wiccans are satanic, she is probably just talking about cc, pics and stories with a satanic theme which people may be inspired to make because there are witches in AL, and maybe some overly sensitive people had probably thus jumped to the wrong conclusions. Although the mention of the pentagram did make me raise an eyebrow, but as I have come across people before who had not realised the difference between upright and upside-down pentagrams this it didn't raise my hackles. I thought surely if/when someone explained the difference the matter would've then cleared up, as I have found it has done so in the past.
As I read further I soon learned that people had in fact tried to explain this difference to her and she gotten narkyand defensive and had started banning people.
When I read that I thought that although it that was a bit extreme maybe the people trying to explain said differences to her went the wrong way about it, possibly in an somewhat accusitory and/or aggresive tone. I know if I was 'attacked' that way I could possibly become defensive and overact saying and/or doing things that I may later regret.
When I came to the post with the link to the pic of the deleted thread mentioned, I was both disappointed and saddened when I read the last bit of her first post where she lumps all witches together and calls them satanist. Not only is it ignorant and narrow-minded, but it is purposefully ignorant and narrow-minded which is even worse in my opinion.
Having said that, I would like to make something known. According to christian beliefs, the only true god is their God, meaning of course that any other diety/entity is a false god. Christians also believe that these 'false gods' are nothing more then disguises used by the devil to trick people into worshipping the wrong god and therefore into sin. Hence how witches/pagans came to be viewed as satan-worshippers, because we worship false gods, ie satan.
So in a sense, according to DL beliefs witches, be they bad ones or good ones are satanists. But then so are buddhist, or any of the native tribal/pagan religions across the globe. In fact saving ignorant savages souls from the devil was one of the excuses europeans used to themselves when they were invading...... oops I mean colonising the rest of the world. These days the western world just uses Democracy and the right to Freedom as an excuse to invade...... oops I mean liberate other nations.
I should note here that Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the same god, they just can't agree on the right way to worship him. (just in case someone ask why I did not mention them).
Back to subject.
As I am a firm believer in respecting a person beliefs (even if I think they are totally wrong and/or idiotic) and although it pains me to say this given my own personal beliefs but if DL believes witchcraft in all it's forms are satanic due to her beliefs and deems it unsuitable subject matter for her site then indeed she has the right to do so. Furthermore if she wishes that any discussion/debate of this matter to be removed off her site then she has that right too.
Sadly the ideal of respecting and tolerating other people's beliefs and notions sometimes also means respecting and tolerating people who do not respect and tolerate yours.
By all means I don't expect anyone to agree with with me on this (I wish I could *grumbles to self* damn moral compass) and you are all free to critique(bag) her beliefs and choices as much as you want in alternate sites/forums such as this thread. Because if she has the right to demand we respect her view and demands on her site, then we have the right to express our views where we are allowed, and to have them respected as well.
There is one thing I do believe that she did that she shouldn't have done and had no right to do, and that is sending a mass-email to members of her site stating her request as well as her position on witchcraft in such a horrible tone. If she wanted to inform people of her preferences regarding material put on her site she should have put a notice up where people can see it when they enter that site or put a thread about it in it's 'Site News'. But hounding her members all the way back to where they live (figuritively speaking) and shoving it in their face is not the wisest idea, particularly considering she doesn't know each individuals faith/beliefs and especially if she had wanted people to be considerate of her in this matter.
Pixflix:
Hi gang,
I am a member over at Sim Antics(drpf)
Zep is right that there is a few creators who have blacklisted anyone from the DlM forum.
My own experience is I did try to give the creator there wish yet I was still put out to dry and very publicly humiliated over the fact that I posted something on her site over there own issue with Muslow that had nothing to do with me so much for tolerance and compromise lol
My experience with Dl has been someone who has nurtured her creators, has been kind and supportive towards myself and others she doesn't put up with rudeness or anyone criticizing her members or there creations(if you saw the hair I created for one of my sims you know she was protecting me from the assault of wth is that?)
It's sad that everyone involved had such a strong reaction when there really is no way to resolve the issue since everyone believes there right it just has lead to a big fall out from it
I won't speak badly of Dl or her religious beliefs
It is her forum if she compromised her beliefs then that forum wouldn't be fun for her.It's her faith and she isn't going to back down from her faith even if she is ridiculed or loses some of her friends over it
I wish there was more understanding and tolerance for all involved which I seriously doubt will happen.This is just a game but there is so much disagreement over everything rather you share a file or share a belief its a constant battleground that it really doesn't seem worth being part of the community
jamesabrown1:
I've been on this thread several times now, and I think nearly every point of view has been expressed, in several different ways. Perhaps it is time to declare that the horse is dead, and we should stop beating it.
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