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I'm so tired of using Bon Voyage as a nice 34$ paperweight. I'm seriously considering researching what kind of legal actions I, as a consumer, can take against a company that created and sold a product that they seemingly don't intend update, patch, or replace with a working product. I think it would be in the best interests of everyone here who has had problems with Bon Voyage or EA in general to do the same thing. We have legal rights as consumers and EA better remember that.

nota bene: I understand that there are many people who have had few if any problems at all, and can run and enjoy this expansion pack. This post is as much a rant as it is a nice little reminder to the people who have had horrible problems with the afore mentioned expansion pack, that we have rights and we shouldn't be afraid use them.

I am playing BV on a mac atm, and Its fine, but, I am switching to PC and I am very nervous about purchasing it and installing it on my PC, since its the PC version of BV that has SecuROM right?

^^  Yep.  Along with Sims 2 Deluxe, and very well possible Free Time when it's released, since EA hasn't made any indication that they're getting rid of SecuRom anytime soon.  :(

SexyBeast, I really hate that they've forgotten that a happy customer = more $$$.  I mean, isn't that common sense?  The more satisfied the customers are and the better the service is given to them, the more likely the same customers are willing to continue to support the company by buying the product.  If they continually abandon said customers by pulling crap like they've done since day one (with all the lies, bugs, false advertising, etc.), then they loose the few "extra dollars" they could've made...

I thought greedy companies like that would've put those equations altogether by now.  But I guess they seriously don't give a crap... "what's a few dollars lost from one thing if I have a whole lot of other products to make up for it?"  Sad thought, but I think it's pretty much the truth.  :dontknow:

ok... what is secuRom? and i have BV for pc and mine has been working fine.... i think that is weird...

This SecuROM thing must only be in the newer copies of Sims 2 Deluxe. I haven't had any problems with my game, but then again I got it last June.

Read parts of these Wiki articles here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sims_2:_Bon_Voyage#SecuROM_controversy) and here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROM#The_Sims_2_controversy).   Also, (since it's been reported that some employees of EA have actually been known to edit some wiki articles) you can get a heck of a lot more reliable info on it over at MATY (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,7437.msg270639.html#msg270639).  (Also try doing a search for SecuRom on the main page, and you'll get a good amount of results for it.  ;) )  

I would've directed you to the official "SecuRom Support Threads" on the main site, but unfortunately they've magically "disappeared".  Such is the way of hiding corporate error.  :roll:

"EA better shape up?" Haha, right...dream on. As long as they have money in their pockets, what reason do they have? I don't remember them ever having the interests of the community at heart, what with the SecuROM fiasco and the anti-paysite petition, which only prompted them to amend their TOS. So much for preserving harmony in the community.

BTW, I think Bon Voyage is a kick-ass EP and I've had no problems with SuckuROM...not so far, anyway, though I can't say I approve of EA carrying out an insidious measure such as the inclusion of that ogre of a program in their software. I'm not dismissing the possibility of something going horribly wrong though, but I'll worry about it when it happens.

Great... I just bought Deluxe a week ago....

I haven't got BV yet (I know, I'm so old) but I'm going to back up my game before installing it.

What kinda problems can be that bad?

After I got rid of all my hacks it ran like a charm/a gem.  have you tried to play it with nothing in your downloads folder at all? Just a fresh clean game?  


Not doubting your issues, just trying to help.

You guys TheSims2.com just posted up a patch for Bon Voyage. :D

For anyone who doesn't think they are having a problem- hold your breath-

I didn't even know about the Securom thing until last night... but in less than 24 hours I have realized that all the things that had stopped working on my new pc- well - guess what...

It was Securom and BV.

I uninstalled the H&M, TSS, and BV then used the tool to remove Securom... and now my original Dell music, video, etc programs are working again, my McAfee has stopped bombarding me with "warnings", and all is right with the world...

Well except for the $90 I'm out for the stupid EA products that I am not afraid to use.

I am just glad I found out about this before I went out and bought Free Time... I had my money saved up and all ready to spend...

Nope- I have given enough to EA seeing as I have bought EVERY Sim game, EP, and stuff pack for TS2 and I bought all the ones for the original Sims too.

I don't like spending my hard earned money on un-usable games.

EA didn't even say "Sorry".

NICE---- way to gain customer loyalty eh?

Am I one of the only ones here not having a problem with SecuROM? :oogle: Yes, after installing the latest patch, I bit the bullet and decided to use the patched .exe. I have PowerISO, MagicISO and a DVD-R/W drive, as well as deciding to take the plunge with Vista. No problems whatsoever (although I might need to update my graphics driver again). BV DVD is read in the drive, all my programs still work. Am I just lucky, or is it that I use programs that SecuROM doesn't recognise as blacklisted?

I am having no issues either Sadie. I've been playing for a few weeks, now with the TSS cd in my drive, and I'm having no problems at all, and am just loving all the new stuff!
So I'm definitely buying Freetime, because it looks fabulous and SecuROM hans't done anything to my pc.
Really, the whole of BV is acting just fine for me.

Except for a random crashing problem... BV's never given me any trouble. Even the securocom whatchamajigger never gave me any trouble.
Maybe I'm just lucky! :D

Arrrrrgh.

I bought BV, installed it on my PC with Pets, OFB, University already there, and YAY PRESTO! After I got to Pleasantview and tried to associate a vacation destination to it (Tiki Village, if I recall correctly), the game went kablooey, crashed on me, and when I tried to restart it, gave me a weird error message and told me to 'Try Again'. Now, this isn't my first time with a bad EP, I knew re-trying was useless. So, I went to uninstall BV as I had already backed up my game. But guess what? Apparently, it was being used by another program!

Nothing can testify to what I went through to get that stupid Expansion Pack out of my computer. I had to fiddle with registry settings, remove ALL the TS2 games, and temporarily lose my audio drivers.

After that headache, I can agree whole-heartedly with all the people here who want EA to fix BV. However, even if they do fix it, I plan to stay strictly BV-less. And say 'no, thank you' to FreeTime. Doesn't sound like anything much, and I don't want more trouble.

Like MiM, I've experienced no significant problems since installing BV, except for the odd crash. I've had SuckuROM on my PC for at least six months, and I'm still yet to experience any major catastrophe, so I can honestly say that I will still fork out for Free Time, SecuROM or no SecuROM. This isn't to say that I approve of it being there, though - all I'm saying is that it hasn't caused any problems for me.

Well I was wrong- it wasn't the SecuRom- it was however another program that was a type of spyware (something like SecuRom I guess) that was also removed when I cleaned out my pc.

I installed Free Time which has the SecuRom on it and nothing has exploded yet....

I'm still not thrilled about having to have it on my computer in order to play the games though.

I had a crash issue for a bit but after dropping in 512 megs of more RAM.  No problemos.

One thing that is preventing me from buying any more EPs is Suckurom.  I mean- I'm even afraid of getting OfB anywhere outside of Ebay because I don't want my PC to completely screw up due to the thing, and I have no idea if newer packages of Sims 2 or the older EPs still have SafeDisc.

However, the sad part is that I'm totally willing to pirate any EPs made be EAxis, although that's very, very risky.