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So now the news comes out that "evil" sims do such dastardly deeds such as (ooo!) kick over trash cans and (eek) steal candy from babies.

"You can put him in the game, make him "Mean-Spirited", make him evil, give him the "Kleptomaniac" trait, and then you can see what his life is like - give him the "Criminal" career. He'll come over to your house, yell at you, threaten you, because he has the Mean-Spirited trait, if you're not looking he's going to snatch your stuff... so you get to see what life is like living next to a homicidal criminal. The game is for families in that it's a non-violent game, but players can make any character they want and there are lot of very clever things that you can make happen. So it's really open-ended, it's up to you what kind of characters you put in the town. It's not really possible to do cruel or mean things - that's not the kind of game we are"

This really sickens me to no end. What part of threatening and snatching stuff equals "homicidal criminal"?

Firstly, I hate that this is considered a family game.  I hate the ratings system and don't want this game to be considered a family game in the first place.
But even if they are determined to do so. 

What's wrong with Sims murdering other sims??!!

Who exactly are they protecting?  Children from the concept of murder?  I don't think so.

What happened to Harry Potters parents?
What exactly does the Evil Queen wish to do to Snow White?
What happens to Bambi's mother?
What do Cowboys and Indians do to each other?
What does nearly every preteen campfire ghost story involve?

I could go on here but the point is that kids are well introduced to such concepts by the time they are at least 7 years old. And you know what? If they want to cater to the 7-12 group than they need to make a different game for them.  By the teen years, kids not only get the concept but are reading Stephen King or other similar scary books, watching murders on soap operas and numerous other types of related entertainment.

I want my evil sims to do truly evil things and that includes murder. It doesn't have to be gory, bloody, realistic murder - they can do it in a soap opera kind of way.  I'm really not happy about this at all and I'm tired of the Sims not showing the darker side of human nature.

OK I just notified the authorities about your inner homicidal tendencies and expect a knock on your door soon...  :p LOL
I happen to agree with you but just like in Sims2 where you had hacks of working guns, death rays, and the like, in time there will be these items available for the sims3. Perhaps the creators of the sims could be persuaded to make a more mature game for us twisted simmers who love carnage and death and gore and such... :p (yeah that'll happen)

I had a thought about this earlier, but then I remembered: "Oh, it's a teen game."

The Sims isn't meant to be Grand Theft Auto, I'm sure you understand this. I mean, if you want to kill people in The Sims 3 so badly, I'm sure someone will remake the gun mod.

GreyIOutcast: 

I know it's a "teen" rated game.  I'm not sure why it has to be but it is.  Even so, what teen doesn't accept murder as a fairly regularly occurring, albeit highly negative human action?  If they are making this game for teens, I would think they would enjoy this aspect even more than some of the adults.  I know I watched "Nightmare on Elm St." dozens of times when I was 16 and plenty of similar horror movies before that.
Thank you for understanding that I know the Sims is not meant to be GTA.  I don't really see the correlation everyone makes to that game.  I don't want my sims running through the streets and shooting down dozens of other sims....well...townies maybe, but that's beside the point.  Having a murder hack/gun mod doesn't really do it for me though as I want my other sims to remember what has occurred, develop fears of the evil sim and similar fates. I also want to be able to battle the evil with the good via the police force and powerful good sims. I want the darker sides of sims entwined into the stories of all my sims. 

And it doesn't have to be brutal - I wouldn't even expect something like that.  Just make it cartoony fun in a diabolical way.  Real melodramatic soap opera evil using poison, or dueling with swords.  I just cannot conceive how this would not be appropriate for teens.  I think it's far more unethical to portray the sims as goody-goody as they are.  Stealing candy from babies is going to get really old, really fast.
 

I've really wanted more realism in the sims and i agree that evil sims should be able to be evil and kill others...such as the wife killing the lot older and rich husband for his inheritance and making it look like an accident lol. Some of the deaths that happen in the sims 2 are pretty horrible (satellite landing on the sims) or death by fire so why not include poisoning etc?

I play the Sims in order to escape into a better world than the one I live in. As a person who has seen death first hand I can tell you that it is not a game and it is not fun.  When people die they are dead there is no reset button, you can't exit without saving and return to find them waiting for you.  I don't even like the kind of mayhem that is written into the game in the first place. Never you fear though as evidenced by the large number of violent games selling like hotcakes these days there are people out there who will provide you with all the carnage MODs you can handle. I hope you enjoy it in your game, and never have to see it in real life. It is completely different to sit there with your dead best friend resting his head in your lap after you pull him out of the sea, or to hold your mother's cold dead hand at her funeral her body turning black because you could't afford to take an earlier flight. or watching your father as he is slowly eaten away by a voracious disease. Death is not a game to me and if there isn't already enough evil in the world for you, you can have all of my share anytime you want it

Personally, I do wish EA/Maxis would make an EP that is rated "Mature" and includes adult content (not just violence, but other stuff for us adults.)  Sims can die from many causes, even simply from ennui. It has happened several times to me in my games.  Totally unexpected deaths are a real part of life, so if the game allows that, why pixelate showering sims or make WooHoo just silly and not the loving, passionate act it should be?  Our "teen" kids see more sex, and violence on primetime TV--at least the love scenes in the game could be richer.  OK, I admit it--I'm an incurable romantic, but anyone who downloaded my paintings from Insim Adult (mhanse is my handle for adult sites) knows that already. 

The game is rated "T for Teen" because it alludes to sex, making babies, cheating spouses, and other stuff that might be inappropriate for younger children. Yet there are millions of parents who have no issues buying this game for their 6-year olds.  I know this: I was a Moderator for Sims2CarSource and a couple other sites. They were all-ages sites with really young members.  If Sims 3 is just more kid stuff and our great modders can't get us the content we adults desire, I doubt I will make the switch from Sims 2.  If the Maestros think the game is worth their efforts (and we all know who they are) I will be one of the first members of the new Insimenator.org/net or whatever, MTS3, GSC3, Sims3Carsource (kudos and best wishes to TreZillah.  Hello dear one.), SAU, Arthemista, and any other totally free sites.  AND I will happily donate to them as I have in the past. 

Cheers!

Michele

Hah! Hah! Hah! Hah! Hah! Hah! No, I've not lost it. I just think of the stuff I've read about the "Conan-Hyborean Adventures" game out there as I read the posts here. Now, it does have an "M" rating, and it naturally shows all sorts of blood and gore and stuff, but they've really drawn a lot of fire over . . .  dare I say it?
Boobies.
Oh, my . . .
Now, they're not the first, and EA knows that. They also know that every time somebody tries to make a mature game, there's always those lawyers representing the moralists out there that sees a way to make a buck. Remember that joker that tried to sue them over the Barbie-doll nudes they use? EA's about greed, not need, and I figured that'd find it's way into TS3, and it has. Granted, it would make wonderful sense to have a "M" version of TS3, but EA just doesn't have the guts, and they never will. They'll go where the money is, and leave the rest to hackers like they always have.

Fine, Henry m'man.  I accept that EA/Maxis is selling to the lowest common denominator.  Will our amazing modders/hackers and creators stick with their CC creation?  Even Beos and Marvine are now in retirement.  Is this just a hiatus in preparation for their return with BB, HBB, Athlete, SBB, and Athletic gals for Sims3?  Or are new, intrepid geniuses going to need to hone their skills to pick up the slack?  If the quality of free content goes out the window, and paysites become my only way to find good hair, clothes, body meshes, and natural skintones with CrammyBoy-level enhancement, EA/Maxis might as well let the idiots who support those sites take over.  I'd rather play Sims1 (which was awesome for its time) than put my hard earned money into commercial CC creators' pockets.

Nowadays it's really hard to find an enjoyable game that appeals to both parents and children.
When I was growing up I didn't have the sims, the sims had just came out when I was already playing first-person shooting games; I was corrupted at an early age because hello kitty didn't suit my video-gaming needs.

The sims is great for families to agree on, the violence is minimum and sexual themes aren't as bad (I mean, they named it 'Woohoo' for crying out loud!). If the little 'uns couldn't play the game due to extreme nature then what's the point of making the sims? My 9 year old cousin plays the sims, why would I want her watching and instructing murder. Although I would really like a 'mature' rated Sims; it just won't work out.

I can guarantee that Maxis EA makes a good portion of their budget from the age range of 8- 16. It would probably take a lot of time and money to make one specifically aimed for adults. I don't know about you but I play the sims to make and control a virtual me with a virtual happy family. I don't play the sims to kill all my neighbors.

So we're all different and the sims is one of those games not filled with violence, murder, drug abuse, and alcoholism. Quite frankly; I like it. Perhaps in the future they will consider a mature rated "Sims," I highly doubt they will be taking the Sims away from so many people though.

A large number of people that have played sims have seen death first hand but what needs to be remebered is that sims is supposed to be an alternative to REAL LIFE.  Therefore I must say that I think the sims should be more realisic and include the darker side of life. If you dont like the idea dont take part in it!! You have full control of the game and you dont have to do anything evil if you dont want to (just like in real life you have a choice) BUT for those of us who do want evil sims we dont have a choice! Our sims must be good because we dont have an alternative option.

I leave you with some advice I once heard from a family member;
"Its not reality dont take petty little things like a video game so seriously!"

Babies shouldn't have candy anyways. The person stealing it is doing them a favour.

Doesn't TS3 continue to 'run' even when you're not playing it? So while you're away your evil sim might kill your favourite sim, and there's nothing you can do about it...

I want to know what happens when evil sims interact negtively with a sim in sims 3 like are the fights better and irriate options as well like slap and insult? Id like to know if they can also punch etc.. instead of poke slap and shove? does the upset sim actually shed tears?

Agreed. Although, it's hard to know where do draw the line. I mean, when you play the University expansion pack, your college sims can't even consume alcohol (or yeah, they can, but if doesn't effect them in any way right?). So there are no drugs what so ever in the sims, and then all of a sudden there's murdering? I agree fully with you, though, but I can also spot the difficulties in making an adult version.

They should make a special adult expansion pack maybe with the features we want.

An adult expansion pack would be cool.. not just for S3 but for S2 -since I'm not sure if or when I'll get S3- since you would have the choice of getting it or not.
I'm not so sure I would want a maniacal Sim running around killing off my other Sims though.
I am not above killing off a Sim. I have hacks with which I can do just that when ever I want.
That is the point though. Its when I want it to happen not when the game decides.

I also think that if killing characters off is what you want to do then there are plenty of games that let you do that right from the start. The Sims was never supposed to be that kind of game.

As for the game running all the time in the background, well that just sounds like a nightmare to me. If the Sims in S3 aren't any smarter then the Sims from S1 & S2 then all too often you'd open up the game to find the everyone dead or living in a home with nothing left because the repo man came calling since they don't pay bills unless you tell them to.

I remember leaving a S1 game running overnight without meaning to and waking up to a an dead family. Seems there was a cooking fire and they didn't have a smoke detector. No one called the fire department and since Sims run towards a fire instead of away from it -although in Apartment life I think Sims in apartments do leave the building- the whole family and the kitchen went up in smoke. There was nothing but little piles of ashes all over.

About the lack of true evil in the game. Trust me, I am just as disappointed as you are. Stealing candy from babies? Thats lame, seriously. I have long wanted a mature (adult) version of Sims 2 and would love to have one for Sims 3. But I am not sitting here thinking they will actually ever do this. They have it stuck in their craw that their games are best suited sales wise to be rated "T".

did you all know that the Sims 2 Garden and Mansion Stuff Pack is rated M? :-X

Also, I've wished that whenever a Sim dies, there'll be an ambulance to take the dead body. Not leaving tombstones around the lot. I hated it when that happens...

The fact is, those who feel like you all do are in the minority.  If EA is smart, they will stick to what the majority wants.  After all, it is their livelihood.  Why can't one of you come up with a realistic, real life simulation game with all the horrors you can want?  As a side not, I like Sims the way it is.

And contrary to what some think, (this may be shocking) kids/teens are not all inundated with murder and mayhem at a young age.  I've known thousands who haven't been.

Sorry dear,  I think we were just sharing what we thought would also be good in the game. Showing our love to the Sims 2... and so maybe people from EA will visit InSim and can get ideas from it, right?
Thanks and take care!  1rock xoxoxox

I love the Sims 2 and patiently waiting for the Sims 3 hehehe...

 Im sorry you dont like our OPINIONS thats all they were. It just sounds like you are telling people off for what they would like in the game, were not saying EA has to do it geez. :confused:

ahahaha an expansion pack?  ADULT expansion pack?  Well-there's not much stopping anyone from getting a hold of it (plus think of the economy-how many people would be really interested.)

But that aside-what would they call and Adult Expansion Pack?  The Sims 2; Homicidal Acres?  Guns & Blood.  Oh and a stuff pack-the Sims 2; Porn Starz!

My problem with such things is that if there was murder-ranging from sim 2 comical animations to somewhat repulsive-there is going to be someone who's going to mess it up.  Like persecute religions.

I know I'm being highly critical-but in the end whatever floats your boat right?  I just got really creative.  ONE MORE; Sims 2: Operation Iraq.

I would like some disasters though (I thought of tearing up my neighborhood and make it into a war zone.)

Finally-in the University Expansion pack you could kill someone with the cow plant thing.

I swear that post was just to showcase your "hilarious" game names. I'm just pullin yer leg. I see where you are coming from but hey I dont see anything wrong with just disscussing ideas here, even if there is little chance of it actually happening. I mean HEY its nice to dream and its nice to hear what other members would want from the game. I dont see the harm in that.

MTS2 does offer such careers as hitman & villian.  It's a start for those of you looking for more.  I wouldn't mind a little villany in my game if only to show that crime doesn't pay- which it seems to in real life.   I don't go for blood and gore but being able to truly add a Doctor like House in my game or a callous banker, or a spy or hitman with fears of being caught (or even fear of falling in love and softening up/losing their edge) would be hysterically funny to me.

Just imagine the hitman that falls for the wrong (right?) woman and knows he has to go straight to keep her... or the spy who blows his cover because he's so inept.  I think I agree with some here on that type of idea.

However like imdvine I have family that has suffered in war and others that have to face long grueling sickness & death.  I wouldn't want to see the sims become bloodsport or depressing...but if it is handled lightly like with the satellite etc., it could be a fun twist.  So for ex. I would be interested in a sim detective connecting a crime to a real local villan or taking down one of my successfull Mafioso-types (that has slipped up).


Just an opinion.

As far as my opinion in the great Sims debate, and I want to re-state that is this is my OPINION, I think EAxis are fully and well aware what the core fanbase of the series is. The people who have played it from the 1st game, which came out in what?...2000? And here we are in 2009. 9 years is a LONG time, and naturally, the people who are loyalest to the series have aged. I was 20 when I first played TS1, and I'm soon going to be 30 this year. Needless to say, I'm not a kid. And neither is a VAST many of us here. So why on Earth would they spend so much time developing a rated T game knowing full well 70% of the players of the game are NOT teens? (What Teen these days do YOU know has the patience to actually put the work in needed to really get into The Sims when they have Halo or GTA4?) Speak of the devil, I already gave it away. But for those who are avid gamers like me, I need to only say two words...

Hot Coffee.

To those who don't know, it was a mod for the PC version of GTA:San Andreas made with code that ALREADY existed in the game. It allowed for some well, "interesting" encounters with female characters on the game, and Rockstar Games caught a firestorm of crap from the moralists, family groups and right wingers for it. So much so that major retail chains started pulling the game off the shelves. So Rockstar went back, fixed the code and redistributed the game. But they still suffered loses in the Millions, and they've been under the microscope ever since. But Rockstar is a publisher that's built on taking risks. (Don't think so? Google Manhant. That's all you need to see.) EA isn't. They're one of the "Big Boys". So they're stuff is at the top of the pile. While they do make violent games, they don't cross into that uber violent gray area some publishers do. And as far as "Mature" themed content, forget about it. EA won't even go near it. Any really racey content in a game will IMMEDIATELY get the dreaded AO (Adult Only) rated from the ESRB, and most national chains and outlets do not carry AO games, which is why the games that do cross into that area like 3D Sexvilla and the Sexy Beach series are sold either online through the company itself, or aren't available in the US at all. EA isn't going to take that risk because the only line that matters to them is the bottom one. So they'll give us a tame, cute, whimsical game out of the box. And the hardcore modders will crack the code, and transform it into what basically came from TS2 content. It's a "Here's The Sims 3, and a few tools you can use to help make it more yours" scenario. Now what the skinners, meshers and modders do to the game AFTER the fact isn't EA's problem, all they did was distribute it to the public. What WE do to the game is a whole other story. And in time, we'll kick it's ass just like we did TS2, and have Sex, Violence, drugs, and other such things that make the game so gosh darn fun to play. Of course much like TS2, don't expect to see any major CC in year one. Clothes, yes. But new Body Meshes will take some time, especially since as was mentioned earlier in this thread some of the more prominent meshers have retired. But I'm sure others will carry the torch, I might even take a stab at it myself seeing as I'm learning on the fly still. But that's enough of my rant.

no worries, I'm sure someone will make a hack for it. and i hope new skins too.. the sims 3 neighborhood looks great but the sims looks bloated.. horrible skins.

Yeah-that's true.  I don't know what I want though, so I guess I wouldn't understand.  But as long as you're not a horrible person-or demented-then I don't see any harm on making something specifically aimed and distributed to the right crowd.

I'm sure that gruesomely sad enough to say,  people who truly go for gorey bloody things already have their favorite web sites/hangouts and sims just wouldn't quench that desire.   If you're horribly demented I don't see the sims as filling your need to destroy anyhow, so I agree with you can'tresist.

I also believe you are right koaz~ no way EA doesn't know who it's core fanbase is...and I would hazard to guess that the fan base of over 30's is growing not just from aging regulars, but also from successful, work from home, or retired folks, with a spare moment or two on their hands.  That the game can be tailored (thanks too the meshers and modders over the years) is the secret to it's longevity.   You can enjoy what you want from the privacy of your own home without someone else deciding for you that it's morally wrong.

Ea knows that those who want more adult themes in the games aren't in the minority--but are the overwhelming silent majority whose creations /modifications have and will keep this game in play; and they were smart enough to leave the legal blame button stuck on "don't blame us we didn't sell it that way".   

Either way I'm glad for it.   While I might never want to see a strip club open across from an elementary school in RL, or deal with corpses that would make forensic scientist puke, I'm a full-grown adult with a set of ideal and morals like anyone else.  As such, I like that (w/modifications) this game allows me to be as (and might I add privately & without any harm to others) adultly adventuristic as I want--without someone else's permission or approval.

More realistic, adventurous and even dastardly deeds in-game?   I say bring them on. After all, with all due respect, those who don't want the mods can always choose not to download them. 

Parent players out there at least know what to look for before the kids find it.

Hello again all.  I had to respond to this topic.  I agree with everyones points of view, for or against adult content.  If I knew how to mod and was computer literate I would make my own adult version.  Anyways, I depend heavily on modders to enrich my sims 2 game and look forward to see what you talented modders to mod for the sims 3.  If I ever do learn how to mod or make such content it is SO going to be free and I will make sure eveyone is 21 yrs of age or older.  I'm not into blood and gore but we should be able to decide how dark our sims should be just so long as it is not sick or crossing certain lines.  Many, many thanks all.   1rock