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I mean it's great to have new things and all, but I can't get in to TS3. Playing only one family per neighborhood not being able to see inside the any other buildings. I had so many hopes for this, now I feel like someone stole my puppy......... :'(

Moved, since this seems more like a discussion topic than a help question.  And trust me, you're not alone... ;)

No, your not! I feel ripped off! :'(

I can't answer that in comparison to TS3, but I'm not buying for the moment. Vanilla games fail to interest me. It's the modding community that makes gaming interesting. If there is a considerable amount of modding going on (if EA drops the modding ban that is) I will reconsider.

You are not the only one-I've been against "upgrading" to Sims 3 ever since they announced it, because of EA's past track record of recent years-Spore and Sims Societies to name but 2 of their most notable "non-starters".

From all that I've seen and read on many, many forums, there are a lot of problems just playing it, let alone enjoying the game. I've read thread after thread on the official site forum where players are just so unhappy and feel "ripped off" for having bought the game.

True, it is the first of what will probably become a large series-if EA takes matters into hand and fixes the numerous problems that plague it right now.

You are not alone. I've got my Sims 2 installed, playing and not a bit disappointed at not having gotten Sims 3.
Perhaps if and when the game gets improved and modded that will change-but for right now, be happy that you're playing your game, your way.

I believe that many people are regretting having uninstalled their Sims 2. I think that they will be reinstalling it pretty soon, and abandoning Sims 3 as a waste of money and time.

I've said my opinion several times now, and I can say that you're definitely not alone in not being enthustiastic about sims 3 (or sims 1.5  alpha version :p). I've not tried it yet, but after what I've seen, it's not much to brag about. But I'll wait and see about the modding...

the scenery looks more or less fantastic, but the sims looks like they were made the last week before release...

My modded sims2 game looks way more fantastic than sims 3, so I'll stick to it at least for a while yet.

I haven't bought the game or played it yet, but here's the thing I'm seeing. A lot of people are looking at this as an "upgrade", uninstalling Sims 2 and installing Sims 3, then getting disappointed. Personally, if I decide to buy it and give it a try, I'm not uninstalling Sims 2, because it's not the same game. It's a different game, based on the Sims franchise. Is everyone uninstalling the Sims 2 because they need the hard drive space, or do they honestly think 3 is going to replace 2?

I'm looking at them as two separate games. One does not replace the other.  

The first time I played the Sims 2 I didn't go to work for 3 days. I was hooked. I play The Sims 3 a few hours a day. If that.

since the sims 2 came out i'vce been desperate for themto make it but now i'm torn
its out tomorrow so i'm going to buy it and at least give it a chance but if it fails to impress me then i'm afraid it will be sims 2 all the way but i mean alot of people felt the same about the sims 2 until the eps and sps were reasleased so i'm still not sure only time will tell
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There's a difference. Maybe it's the same with you. TS2 was the first Sims game for me. I watched it being modded and grow. TS3 doesn't grip me, since I know what the vanilla version of TS2 looked like. It kept me hooked for a couple of weeks, but if there hadn't been any modding that would have been it.

So, as I said. I'm not going to buy unless some serious modding starts.

I was listening to Opie and Anthony years ago. (In NY, they are now on Sirius XM) anyway, Opie was talking about a game he's playing. The Sims. He said he was waiting for his Wife to go to work so he can invite his hooker GF. (My eyes bugged out of my head) He gave her a gift and they started kissing when his wife comes in, and catches them.The wife slaps him and his hooker gf.  I immediately went out and bought The Sims. OMG how awesome was that game. I played the vanilla game and loved it.(later I learned about mods/hacks)
The Sims 2 I was hooked from the start. It was a big leap forward. I think the First hack/mod we all got was no censor. It was still fun to play, even with all the bugs and it being vanilla. I can't speak for anyone but I believe some people are jaded by EA. (don't blame you) They promise and don't deliver. They lie, they put things that may harm you computer. They make a bare bones game, so they can rape you, later.(The Sims store) The game has some good things, but EA's hunger for money left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouth.  I like the game. Once EPs and Mods,hacks/skins/etc etc. The game will be great. I think people were expecting the game to surpass The Sims 2. Like The Sims 2 surpassed The Sims. IMO.

You definitely aren't alone. It's really not even about Sims 3 being vanilla at the moment to me, either, because I never had hacks or anything special in my Sims 1 game that I bought when it came out, and when Sims 2 came out, for years I never had hacks or that much custom content and still loved it enough years later to finally go on downloading sprees.

Sims 3 just looks terrible. I've not seen one photo that impressed me. Sure, I think the different traits would be neat, but that's the only thing that Sims 3 has that sparks my interest in the slightest. And reading how everyone is disappointed and is having trouble playing, after spending so much money ...

Sims 2 it is for me. I haven't grown sick of it yet and I have no desire to add on Sims 3.

I think the obvious downer for me is that it doesn't seem that different from Sims 2. (other than the textures, few new additions to gameplay, and other stuff... not to forget those cursed, evil eye skins... >:()

Coming straight from Sims 1 to Sims 2 was a drastic improvement in almost all the areas... the look, the gameplay, and even the creation aspect with Bodyshop and Homecrafter in the very beginning was addictive, though there were still things missing that many of us had hoped to see from the earlier previews of it.  (Fire-breathing, fan-swinging toddlers anyone?  Evil tots whacking people with foam baseball bats? Babies with clothes and hair, not including current modifications? Yeah...) I think a lot of us were expecting the same drastic change to happen for the third installment, and inclusion of all the "missing" things we had hoped to have in the previous two games.  Needless to say, from what I'm reading and seeing, it's not what some people have hoped for.  But it's good for those who just insist on playing... strictly for the inner "gamer" in people.  

So to summarize, I'm also one to acknowledge this as a completely different, should've-been-made-for-consoles Sims game instead of a proper sequel to the franchise. :P  For those having fun with it, keep on doing so.  Maybe the rest of us still with Sims 2 will eventually come around, but it's going to be a while until that happens.   For those disappointed in the game, I'm sure people will think of some new things to do with Sims 2 eventually... even if EA doesn't want to anymore.  Or you could wait around and see what the rest of the community will do in the coming months to make Sims 3 better.  :D

That's what I intend to do. Especially since I'm spoiled by the endless possibilities of modded TS2. I simply can't imagine to go with anything EA intended to be played by 8+ anymore. Even more so when I think about the crybaby reactions when Sims get into a fight or something isn't to their liking. Not even the modding community could root that evil out and I shudder to think of what EA had in store in this department for their new installation.

before ea even created sims3 they should've asked us the people who play the sims 2 how we wanted the sims 3 to be like

There is no "us the people". I understand that EA has to maximize their profits by making a game for the whole family and not only for adults or a certain group. That's perfectly OK. What's not OK in my book is the ban on hacking and modding. Making the game customisable added to the longevity of the product.

I just really don't understand why people are uninstalling the sims2 when they install sims3. It has to be a drive space issue because there is no reason to do that otherwise. Sims3 isn't replacing sims2 on my pc.

I do have both installed now. I've played 3 a couple of times for about 3 hours total. Some things that really bug me about:
when you have a sim drive a car to another lot. They don't go get into the car and then drive away. They go stand on the curb and snab there fingers. The car appears and then they disappear and the car drives off.

It's really hard to figure out how to send your sims to a class to improve a skill.

The fish you catch can not be deleted from the sims inventory. You have to either get them mounted, drag them into the fridge or put them in a fish tank. To start out the sims only catch minnows so why would you want to get them mounted or put them in the fridge? I would rather use them for bait.

Every book the sims reads goes into the sims inventory. Not back on the book shelf.

If one sim reads the paper they put it in their inventory and then you can't take it back out so another sim can read it.

When a sim gets pregnant they want a massage. The help says that another sim can give them one but there is no option that I can find for that to happen. They have to go to a spa then you have to wait forever until they come back out of the building.

There are others but I can't recall them right now.

Unless you really need the disc space, there is no need to uninstall sims 2. It is a game, don't confuse it with a background task. If you're not playing it, it remains dormant.
As for those average 92 ratings that gaming magazines gave the game prior to it's release, just reading the feedback in those same magazines, the players give a rating between 50 and 70 'dud'.
For those that haven't bought it yet, just hold back a little longer. The more that the ratings plummet the more desperate EA. will get. This next month will be very interesting.

If I cannot have my Gucci, Fendi, Prada, guess what? I don't want it. You are so not alone. The clay dough sims and horrible graphics marred my mind.

Even if I do decided to buy Sims 3, I will not uninstall 2. I'm finally getting the game to where I want it with the mods I have. I've been reading lots of posts on how the gameplay is going, and they're definately not encouraging. And as for reviews, my Newsweek game it a glowing review (which is the polar opposite of what I've read online by players). Call me paranoid, but do ya think that EA games "encouraged" them to be nice? Or more likely, the person who did the review isn't a hard core Sims 2 gamer.

I will definitely stick with Sims 2, also.

The funny thing is: I let my sister try the Sims 3 and she played for only 5 mins before she got up and said she was bored. Now that's terrible. And she's a Sims 2 addict.

I personally have been trying to enjoy the game, but I think it's terrible. Gameplay is quite unappealing and static. And I can imagine EA trying to sell us millions of dollars worth of custom content. I have no interest in buying their junk.

Overall, I'd give the game a 4/10. As other users have said, it surprises me when I see gamer magazines giving this 'game' a 90 rating. I imagine they're being payed in some way by EA. Makes me loose my respect for those magazine companies as well...

If you ask me, many reviewers and editors tend to play nice with specific gaming companies... partially due job security and ad revenue rather than give a bluntly honest review, which would put a negative impact on how the game would sell, and in turn have the gaming company actually bite back at times.  A prime example of what I'm talking about:  Jeff Gerstmann of Gamespot "let go" due to his Kane & Lynch review (http://kotaku.com/328244/gamespot-editor-fired-over-kane--lynch-review).  Sure, some things he has said and they way he presented them are probably things people may not agree with, but he did have a knack for giving an honest take on any game he reviewed.  Unfortunately, Edios didn't think his review of their game was good enough, threw a hissy fit, and threatened to pull their ad campaign from everything related to Gamespot.  Of course, no one on Kotaku still knows if he left on his own terms or was fired...

Ever since that incident, reading game reviews by big-name gaming sources hasn't seemed the same, nor have they felt completely honest... that's why I take game review scores with a grain of salt these days.  Seeing all of the high scores for Sims 3 really doesn't phase me much now that I only rely mostly on non-"professional" reviews for honest opinions... at least they don't have a possible wad of money dangling in front of them when they tell you the scoop.  :D

UH OH!!! It's a 666 RANT a COMIN'!!! (Brace yourselves)

Not in the interest of not coming off to hostile for all of you sensitive folk, I'll tone it down from my norm. Wouldn't wanna make anyone cry...again. But anyone who went as far as uninstalling TS2 for TS3 for any reason other then disk space is as I've said before naive on a juvenile level. And don't front, some of the people who are reading this know exactly who they are. But notice how all of the people who for the last few months have been blindly ranting and raving about how they're "sick of the Sims 2" and "can't wait for the new game" are nowhere to be found now that the poops hit the fan? Hmmm...interesting. Like I said over on MATY, TS3 will never replace TS2, no matter how many mods and hacks are made for it, if any ever are thanks to the EULA. As has been pointed out here, it's a totally different game from TS2. IMO it's only a Sims game in name alone. Look at the facts. Will Wright, the mind behind the game had no part in it's development. That's like having a Mario game that doesn't have Shigeru Miyamoto involved in it's creation. The game was developed by two Development houses that have been well known to botch completely good games. There was very little of the original Maxis team involved in the building of TS3, and it shows. Does the game have potential? Yes...I can honestly say it does. There are points about it that do have merit. The problem is the technical, graphical and administrative shortcomings of the game far overshadow the good points of it, and the sheep are finally starting to see that. (By sheep I mean the EA brainwashed consumer who assumed this was going to be the BEST GAME EVAR!!! If it don't apply to you, let it fly.)

What it's going to take to salvage this game is WHOLESALE changes across the board. Changes that will sadly only come from EA, so in a nutshell, they're changes that won't be happening anytime soon. If you're a new user, totally knew to the Sims series, it's a nice game. But if you're someone who's played both previous games, it's a serious let down. A step backwards. The game should have been everything TS2 was and a whole lot more. Instead it's bits and pieces of TS2 with few new gameplay elements and a whole lot less execution. That's where the game falls short, it's execution. It's less a sandbox and more a boardgame. If you like boardgames, have at it. But if you like to make the world your own down to the most minute detail, you're better sticking with TS2, cuz I highly doubt we'll ever get that kind of freedom in TS3. I've reserved myself to a similar mindset as roerzman, being the fact that I'm going to wait a year or two to see what comes down the pipe before I consider making a Sims 3 Purchase, but TS2 is and always will be my game. I've invested to much cash in EPs and have WAY to much content (my The Sims 2 folder as a whole is 13.5GB) to just step away from it cold turkey.

*End Rant*

I hope that was tame enough not to offend to many people...:P

And in response to you Tenshii, It's pretty cut and dry. If you're going to read a review, it should be either from Game Informer Magazine, or seen on X-Play on G4TV. Both are the most unbiased reviewing outlets in the Industry. Both will tear a game a new one if it deserves it, and both aren't influenced by advertisements from companies (Hell, you barely even see game ads in Game Informer.) As far as IGN, Gamestop, 1Up and other various gaming websites, their reviews are full of crap. Their reviewers aren't "Gamers", they're journalists who happen to play video games from time to time. Big difference.

That is very true, Tenshi.


Kaoz, I agree with you. And wow, my downloads folder is the same size (13.2gb). Overall, it's 19gb. I can't imagine switching to a more limited platform at this point. Sims 3 needs a good year or two before I consider it.

It's really a mindset, I think, between the Sims 2 player and those who jumped to Sims 3.

For me, it''s an "investment" of time and interest. I go into my game wondering: "Who's going to get stupid now" or "Whose family is going to have a child grow up?" or even "What will that kid do next? Is that kid really that stupid?" Even the occasional fire gets my attention.

 For lack of a better term, "emotional investment" would be it. You become interested in the interior of the game, not the exterior. Sims 3 (to me) seems to be a glossy game board with points added to every gem you pick up, every book you read. To me, that isn't a game, it's a race to see how much time you're going to waste not playing a family-merely making them go through the motions.

 That's not fun to me. I want a hand in their development and lives. Not to be told, "Whoops-you didn't play them long enough, so they're outta here. Sorry, on to the next challenge."

NO you are not,my wife and I both love the sims2,we have 2 PCs in our room,and we both play the sims2 on both of them.We both love our sims ,they seem to become part of our families even to the point of giving them our own names.I dont know if 3 will be as good ,but we will give it a try and see,i will save our sims2,so if 3 don't seem as good we'll go back and play 2 and start where we left off .The next generation is coming, we either catchup or fall behind,......we perfur to pass,WE'll see them at the finish line LOL.

I have been playing the Sims since it emerged as the Sims 1. The leaps and bounds it has made is incredible. Now, your Sims can emerge from their house and go out into the world without using the telephone. They can go out and meet people on the street instead of on the phone or computer. Please give it a chance my friends. It will be great once the modders get onboard. Don't bail, please.

 2hug

I certainly haven't written the game off, as I said it has enormous potential.
At the moment it's a wait and see exercise. Let EA. make the ist. move with their modding/hacking policy, then let' see what all those talented artists out there come up with.
Once someone humanises those fuglies we're off and running and then for me it becomes an exercise in building a pc. to handle the new game humanised.
I suspect something built around the new i7 processor, anything less probably won't cut it.
For those that have the game allow me to give you some advise. Don't waste your money on the shite available at the store, save those dollars for a new pc. You gonna need one to run the game once it's been cleaned up.

I don't think even the modding community could fix the bad gameplay.

No doubt the ist. EP. will address that. But I fear that will put EA. into a dilemma because the ist. EP. will probably lay waste to their minimum system requirements.
If they release it to early it'll put people with marginal pcs. who are still undecided off. If they release it to late currant players will get sick of it and revert back to sims2.
EA. took a gamble and compressed a high end game to fit into low end pcs.
I think they will be more than happy to let the sims community sort the game out so that in the end you when need a $4000 pc to play the thing they can remain blameless.
I would personally play the sims 2 for another year and see just how things pan out.

^^I don't have a high end computer. My computer, Hp Pavilion, came out in May 2007...I got it in 2008. So it is a year old for me. My point is, it runs just fine on my computer costing me less than $1000. The computers you are talking about must be 5 or 4 years old. I have intel graphics as well, and my graphics are above satisfactory. And it's funny because, I failed in CPU speed on canirunit.com...but the game runs fine....so far!

Actually, Pescado is making inroads on some of the most awful parts of the gameplay-he's done a fix for the most obvious problems (they're still being ironed out).

The first release of the fix is available at MATY if anyone cares to download it to their computer.

It will be interesting to see how the modding goes now that this is being attacked head on. At the rate things are developing, the game might have more promise for those of us who have held off from getting it.

At least it will inspire EA to do more on their part to improve their product. They should have done this before it was released.

Just another example of their inherent laziness and dependence on the modding community to fix their problems.

Actually its not wise to buy any game at release. Its not only EA doing this. Its every game developer. They throw their product on the market and the money earned provides for the patches. I would be hard pressed to find any game that was solid right from the start.

The first buyers are usually the real beta testers and that's why I never lay my hands, apart from all the other issues in this case, on something just released.

My suggestion is that you wait. There is little that this game offers over TS2 at this point, if you already have a fully-functioning TS2 game. TS3 may be what I am pulling apart right now, but TS2 is still the game to actually PLAY.

Do you happen to have a link to it? I'll give it a work out this weekend and put some feed back on MATY and here of what I find.

Here's the link to the download and the accompanying thread.

http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,15185.0.html

Have fun.

Note to Pescado-I will indeed keep playing my game-I've got absolutely no patience whatsoever to muck around with a game that needs so many overwhelming fixes. I am in absolute awe of your work with this piece of half-baked code.

Hopefully these will be corrected in due time. By then, maybe I'll have the RAM, the money and the guts to dare buy it.

To me those fixes are indefinite. They aren't necessary either. I want someone to fix ultra speed.

Thanks. I think Pescado has a cloaking device on some of those threads and doesn't reveal them until he knows you have wasted enough of your time looking for them.  :p

I swear I looked for this today at MATY and since you gave me the link I have no problem seeing it now on the forum.

Sims 3 strikes me as the game Sims 2 should have been.

I just started playing Sims 2 at the beginning of this year.  I never played Sims 1.

When I first started playing, I was absolutely shocked to see that I was forced to play a single lot, and that I could not access the rest of the community.  I wondered, where is the rest of the neighborhood.  After a while, it did not bug me as much.  Now we have a whole world to play in.

The load times were ridiculous.  Typically, I go off and do something else, like watch a DVD while waiting for Sims 2 to load.

And the Sims 2 was pretty buggy.  Just look at all of the mods it takes to fix the thing.  Of course, once it is modded up, it is a pretty good game.  But the game as originally released is pretty lame.

A lot of the aspects of Sims 2 were not all that realistic or interesting.  Pleasantview hardly seems like a town at all -- more like a subdivision that a developer threw together.  Sims 3 actually has a town square, a townhall, a central business district.  In fact, it reminds me a lot of a Southern California town (surprise, surprise)  It also has things which were missing from Sims 2, like a school, a hospital, a cemetery, a theater.  Now I would like to see more businesses, like one would find in a real town.

I think, now don't quote me, but I think that the 'hoods in Sims 2 were supposed to be subdivisions of Sim City or something like that. It would explain a few things if this were so.

The big difference between the two games is that in Sims 3, you cannot go into or create any of the lots mentioned.

In Sims 2, you can create your own business lots, cemetery, and hospital. True, you can't do much beyond visit, but at least you have a say in how they work.

To me, the inability to create your own lots is a big problem. The "rabbit hole" is supposed to reduce lag and other problems, but it does frustrate people who are used to creating lots other than a house.

I feel a tad ripped off, it's not as good as I thought it would be.

I feel so bad about it though, because my fiance spent £53 on it for me and I can't get into playing it [believe me, i'm trying], and we don't have much money as it is. He really pushed the boat out in buying it for me because I was spazzing about it, and now I feel really, really guilty :(

Don't feel so bad. These people are masters at marketing these things. Take GTA 4 as an example, they had them lining up for blocks on release date and now that the awfull truth has come out, they're battling to sell the thing at a discount.
The beauty about the sims is that it will improve, thanks to our many artists out there.

I'm currently playing the Sims 3 and I have to say I am not that impressed, but the game was a gift so at least I didn't waste fifty bucks. Still now that MTS and More awesome than you are hacking the crap out of it, the game just might become bearable after all. I'm really not sure why EA/Maxis would try to limit modding so much when that's half the reason we buy the game in the first place. I mean did they really think people would want the stuff they make over at the sims store? It's laughable, they have and always will make the crappiest stuff for the sims that nobody in their right mind would pay for. Sorry that's just the way I feel. Every time I see a new sim for the sims 2 it is just a reminder of what I'm missing, but I had to unistall the sims 2 a long time ago due to space issues. The sims 3 runs fine on my computer but it's just missing something. EA games really screwed the pooch this time.

Count me in as another person who is doing a "wait and see" approach. I plan to wait at least a year ... maybe more ... before even considering buying this game as a PC game. And that's "considering". It just isn't flooring me, and what is even worse, I'm not sure I can even play this on my computer.

MAYBE I'll consider buying a console version instead next year or so, if one comes out. It almost seems to me that yes, as others here have written, this is a fancy console game for the PC at this point. But the free-site modders continue to amaze me with the revisions they've already made, despite the limitations EA has placed on them. We may be seeing even more amazing things to come. I'm not holding my breath that EA will be doing any improvements worth mentioning. At least, no FREE improvements.

But even if the game comes out on console, I'm very wary. I purchased the Sims 2 for the DS, and hated it so much that I sold it used a couple of days later. (Shudders at that folly.) I'm determined not to make the same mistake again.

Hmmm ... maybe if I find a USED console version, I'll get it. Or an ultra-cheap functional used PC version. I'm not holding my breath waiting for either.



P.S. Yowza! I just looked at the most recent Amazon reviews!  :eek:

I feel the same way you do, honestly. I just got my game how I like it in Sims 2, over the years with all my clothes and hacks and etc. I didn't really get too excited about TS3. I would rather just stick with what I know is safe...and fun.

After being called a 'wet blanket' on another forum, its nice to see there are even more of us. I don't think Sims 3 is quite ready for release yet. Maybe someday....

I'm the same.  I at first uninstalled all my Sims 2 games (kept all the custom content however) and just like the Sims 2 better.  I can't stand how you have to point and click to move around where with the Sims 2 you just push your mouse.  I wish they kept it the same as the Sims 2 except with the new features and graphics.  *sigh*  Plus my game keeps crashing so....

I would have to install Windows [and pay the cost of a complete install disk for it]  beside Ubuntu [free] on the new computer which has the hardware to handle Sims3.  

Frankly, it isn't worth buying Windows and doing a double boot for me. Ubuntu and Wine handle most of the needed programs I have from Windows except high graphics games.  

Besides 3 just isn't that interesting to me.  The old laptop handles most of the Sims2.  I'll keep it on that.

  I second that  ;D

I only had double deluxe until the sims 3.  Now I've added seasons and wiped "the sims 0.5"  (as my lil one calls sims3---she thought calling it the sims 1.5 was being way too generous) off my computer.  Thankfully I never uninstalled TS2 because I had plenty of space.  Seeing seasons now, after the slow sims3 (and I have 4 gigs of ram and virtual ram to match) with the non-existent ultraspeed and the weird mouse controls, makes me wonder why anyone needs the sims 3.

For all the freedom it promises the sims 3 ends up feeling incredibly restricted by the rabbit-hole effect and the inability to arrange/create the town the way you'd like it.   If NL had us driving sims to a club and waiting outside filing our nails EA would had been checked for brain activity.  Why did they think doing the same in a so called "free world" would be the slightest bit interesting?   So I can see my sims drive to work...oh yay.

Really my disappointment comes like everyone elses' I think.   Sims three should have opened up TS2's world and allowed us to visit neighbors, walk to "community" lots or drive at the very least.   To me that's how it was advertised.

Even if I see it as a stand alone game if you've ever played TS2 it's hard to stay interested.  I guess I like control over my simmies more than I realized.  If you love Sims 3 I support you but as for me it'll be TS2 until l Pescado et al make the new TS2 version of Sims 3 as it should always have been.

I couldn't possibly agree with you more. That is EXACTLY how I feel about TS3, down to the letter. It's not a bad game, but it's not a good game either. And I just can't see myself getting into something that's so lacking in many areas when I have all EPs and SPs of TS2, plus hundreds of mods that makes my game pretty much exactly what I want it to be. They took "The Sims" and turned it into Maple Story. TS3 is less a "Life/Social Simulation" and more like your standard fair game. Speaking for myself personally, that's in no way the kind of game experience I want.

Well at least I feel vindicated about my decision NOT to get Sims 3 until it's at least at the same level as Sims 2. 

My kids (young adults) have been trying to encourage me to get the game since its been released.  I told the kids that the game isn't all its cracked up to be.  Told them of the the problems that people like you all have reported and the low quality reports.  The kids are still trying to encourage me to get the game, saying that I'm just stubborn and attached to all my mods and CC from Sims 2.  I even tried proving my point by showing them the difference between a Sims 2 (vanilla sim) and a Sims 3 sim.  There's still no comparison, the sims 2 sim is much better looking even without CC to help her out.

Now that I read the report here that EA isn't allowing CC, that clinches the deal for me.  If they think I want to keep buying CC from them after spending tons on their game to begin with, they'll be disappointed in me as a customer.  It's sounding more and more to me that they want to be just like the TSR... won't be surprised if EA and TSR get together.

I got the game as a gift, I've tried playing the game because my Mom bought it for me and well like some other people have said. She and Dad are pressed for cash so buying this was a stretch for her, and no matter how hard I try, either by seeing it as a stand alone game or the next generation I can't get into it in the least bit.

The so called free world sucks and it's more restrictive than in the Sims 2, I mean seriously i sent a sim to go have dinner out and had to watch the lovely little bubble with her face on it while she stayed inside for ever. The neightborhood it's self isn't attractive and I don't know maybe it's just me but it reminds me of the neighborhood in the Sims 1. In a lot of ways it feels like EA regressed with this game, and honestly if I could get the money back I so would. I mean seriously I have a seven year old, he took one look at the game, wrinkled his nose and then walked away from the computer. He wasn't impressed with it in the least bit and then he's spent the last twenty-minutes telling me that he didn't like it.

Yes it has some good things, would I liked to have seen the personality traits in the Sims 2 like what Sims 3 has, yes yes I would have but I can do without them if it's at the risk of having some craptastic piece of fluff that appears to have been months away from actually being able to be released to the public though this isn't surprising that they put out something that isn't finished and other people have to fix the mistakes that they've made. It's classic EA behavior.

I'm just not happy with the game, maybe after it's had a while and it's been tinkered with some more I'll try it again but for now i think I'll just stick with the Sims 2 and leave it at that.

I only uninstalled because I only have so much disk space, but I didnt delete anything. I backed everything up on my external hardrive including my neighborhood, my houses i personally built, some of my faveorite houses i downloaded, all of my hacks, hairs, clothes, i kept all my replacements. I even packaged all of my families. Just incase i do decide to go back.

The Sims3 is new I have an open and a hopeful mind that in the comming months someone clever will find a way to reproduce all the hacks we know and love in the Sims2 carried in The Sims3. and now that we know how well the sims2 turned out with all the hacks and cc we could have a better idea of how to improve on something that was created in the sims2 to put it in the sims3.

I dont have anything negative to say but it is only the beginning and we just have to wait awhile for creators to get the hang of the game and see if the game can be modded. I already have the no blur nudity hack and HP's improved shine on the skintone so its only a matter of time.

I think the most ridiculous thing about the Sims 3 is that it declares itself a part of the Sims franchise. There's absolutely nothing new or interesting about the game, save a few tiny things, and personally, I'm just completely pi***d off that Maxis would rather release a whole new game than finish what they started with the Sims 2. (all of those annoying bugs they didn't even fix yet, and probably won't.)

But maybe that's just EA for us...

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maybe parts of the game seems to be rushed? and the other annoying thing is that you are forced to play one family when you start. in sims 1 and 2, you could play any house in the neighborhood (and in no order). so you could start in sims 2 for example with Don first, then the pleasants. with free play, i could have it where i could do a story where over time, Bella and Mortimer would end up hating each other by playing both houses. kind of makes me wonder if they learned their lessons from SCS and Spore.

I have to correct you there, on account that as of 2008 there IS no more Maxis. Maxis was bought by EA, and all of it's employees absorbed into other development houses. The Sims 3 was developed by two totally different dev-houses, Visceral Games and EA Black Box, both have released crap games the last 4 years. (EA Black Box being ripped across the net having totally ruined the once famed Need For Speed franchise of games.) So in essence, Maxis and Will Wright had nothing to do with The Sims 3's development. Not even remotely. The game is a "Sims" game by name alone. But in spirit, it's just EA's attempt to cash in on a Franchise it at 1st only published. They effectively took a series that had loads of potential and turned it into something horrid. Like taking a Med-School student and turning her into a Street Walker. All TS3 brings to the table is forced Legacy gameplay, shoddy looking game models, pay to play CC and a host of other problems. There are merits to the game, don't get me wrong. But when the best thing you here people talking about TS3 is the scenery, you know there's something woefully wrong. It's going to take years for The Sims 3 to even remote come close to what The Sims 2 has to offer. And even then I doubt it ever will. Not unless EA makes wholesale changes to their entire strategy behind it. They won't in the near future, but once they see in a year or two's time that The Sims 2 is still overall making more money then The Sims 3, DESPITE the fact that TS3's CC has to be paid for, they'll change up their song. Count on it.

In no way am i replacing sims 2
but like you said i need hard drive space
on the count that i have all the sims2 games
amount other things
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beatles they did there were loads of polls and things but ea apparently just ignored everyones opinion and did what they wanted its a case of if you aint gunna luisten dont ask with the sims 3 ea has ticked alot of people off and greatly disappointed them i'm currently waiting to get a new laptop before i buy it so it could take months for me to get it so i have to wait and judge it for myself but from the sounds of things i might just wanna stick to the sims 2
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 :-[I am just about to thrown in the towel on this game and feel really ripped off.  One family per game?  That seems like step backwards!  I think things are really hard to place I constantly have to use the arrow keys to turn things the right way.  I think the sims are so ugly no matter what you do with the fancy controls.  Sims 2 rules compared to this crap.

The lack of good hair, clothing, and objects, eyes,and skintones is what bugs me the most. I mean we've been absolutely spoiled when it comes to they way things look and the Sims 2 and let's face it the Sims three is a huge step back. Open ended neighborhoods isn't enough to make this game likeable, and while it's nice to see so many houses made for the Sims 3, it's now become a bit redundant. I've gotten to the point where I'm sick of downloading houses. I want clothing and hairstyles but that doesn't seem like it's going to happen any time soon.  Every time I see new stuff from the Sims 2 I suffer from serious Sim envy.

I'm staying with the Sims2 until I see Sim3 guys who look as good as Marvine's Athletic Guys and the Slim bodybuilders I have populating my Sims2 Neighborhood. 

I'm staying with Sims2 till Pescado turns TS3 into a TS2 game and see Ephemera, Eclipse, Enayla and other talented simmers creating CC. 

In the meantime I *might* decide [at last] to create a story-like thread on the photo section here. (I will need time and patience though.)

i got the ts3 for a bday present and then got a new comp aswell becuz my 6yr old comp died. so i have played ts3 once it is ok but im about to reinstall ts2 i love ts2 im addicted.

Im sticking with TS2 its much more to do and looks better even though TS3 has this opened neighborhood its just not enough to even out all the other bad things besides TS2 is  still bomb 1rock

I am so glad I have read this forum on the sims 3.  I have no interest in buying thr game and now I feel vindicated.  Is it just me or do any of you feel alone in your opinions?  I feel outnumbered and I'm wondering if it's a marketing ploy.  If we feel like we're the minority then EA wins.  I find it hard to believe that anyone who has been playing the sims for years would give it all up for the sims 3.  I am too much of a control freak to be even remotely interested in the sims 3.  I was horrified to learn about the rabbit holes and only being able to control one family at a time.  That alone put me off from buying the game.  The saddest thing about this game is that my favorite sims 2 sites are slowly turning into sims 3 sites and I really don't understand how they could do that.  It's not just about the ugliness of the sims and their bad hair it's about the gameplay itself.  I just would like to know how many true sims fans have gone over to the dark side. 1sw2

Yes it is a marketing ploy, and yes they are dam good at it.
Companies like EA. hire experts to convince the public that their next release is the greatest thing ever and you won't be able to live without it.
Most of the sites will eventually go from the sims 2 to sims 3, or the humbles as I choose to call them.
 

I was a late starter with The Sims, so I got it all in one package (the complete collection or some such) so it was very easy for me to fall in love with the game and see all at once, everything it had to offer. Then of course I discovered cc!!! By that time TS2 was already out and on its 3rd or 4th exp. I waited as long as I could to switch and believe me I never looked back. My Downloads folder is slowly but surely taking over my remaining hard drive space. At this point, I'm not going to switch to TS3 and try my luck with it. I think I can wait until it shows some promise and modders are well on their way to change it to something I would want to spend my time on.
Until then I'll monitor its progress and enjoy playing TS2 :D
Mari

A lot of them, and they've found out in their haste to try the new goodies what they have traded Sims 2 in for. Read the Sims 3 BBS sometime for a real eye-opener; there are at least (as of today) 30 pages + of complaints of the game crashing on rigs that exceed the game specs, and assorted brokeness.

Check it out for yourself:
http://forum.thesims3.com/jforum/forums/list.page;jsessionid=8412029802CC318EF90E1F4BD14DD3C4

There are entire threads devoted to petitions to change the game radically, and to change it to something that resembles Sims 2. Of course EA is not hearing or reading the threads or complaints, so almost everyone is angry about that. Great customer responsiveness, for sure.

Of course EA states that they're not to blame for anything that goes wrong in the game: "You bought it, you own it. Too bad if it doesn't work...you can't return it for a refund. Thanks for the money. Oh, and check out the Store, while you're visiting us."

Amazing Isn't it, the ??? were actually silly enough to send EA. money for virtual junk and now they can't install it.
The update is worthless it addresses nothing.
Install CC. and the game crashes. Yea yea I know, when the sims 2 was first released and blah. blah. I got sims 2 a month after its launch, problems? one or two, but nothing that compares even remotely with the issues surrounding this so called game.
I'm certainly not playing the game and probably never will, that is unless EA. tosses this thing to the garbage pile where it belongs and rewrites the whole thing as a proper extension of the sims, and gives us back our game.
As it stands now, it's just some half baked, ugly, ill constructed and written imitation of what once was a dam good game that is trying to attach itself to that games popularity.

Been playing Sims 3 for a month and going back to Sims 2 now or even better buy a new game but no clue what game that should be  :confused:

I must say Sims 3 plays better on my PC than Sims 2 but I think in Sims 2 I have a 'bit' to many mods and stuff ;D
But as said already so often Sims 3 is a big step back. It feels to me Sims 1  with a facelift but Sims 1 was a little revolution and I loved it. When Sims 2 came out that one looked way better then 1 even when gameplay was still hmm....

In 3 I find the sims ugly ugly and more ugly and only 1 skin oh dear.  1headwall
My sims look way way better in Sims 2 and I speak for all ages. Did any of you see for example 1 pretty face yet?

If I make one boy and girl child then it stops. All the others look the same. YA and A I dont really get the point they are almost 100% the same. Yes they have another skill who cares... I played 2 YA and they both are at max level at work and I didnt cheat at all.

I expect for each new version the game to become better and prettier (and as least as good as the version before)
And like others said no excuses that mods took also a while before they entered the game. My point is those 'old' mods should have been in the game in the first place.

I feel ripped off by EA. I wont happen again soon... They might go bust anyway and then maybe some other company takes over the franchise and makes something players want. We might get a rated 18+ Sims at last  ;D

 ;D Wow, am I ever glad I didn't buy Sims3. I didn't read all the posts, (shame on me) but I read enough and have heard enough from friends that I'd made up my mind before it was released not to bother with it.
No way do I want to play without Marvine and Beosxboy's gorgeous bodybuilders. Add to that the missing Warlock ladies, and how utterly boring I would find the game.
Sims3 sound like it has way too many limitations for me.
On the positive side, at least I don't feel like EA ripped me off.

I've heard a lot about sims 3, and i'd a whole lot rather stick with sims 2 because of all the mods and CC that sims 3 doesn't have yet.

I felt the same way about the Sims 3 at first. I thought it stunk. Then I played it for awhile. The game is so much more a game. There are millions of things a sim can do. For example, just in the skills a sim just doesn't master a skill. He goes beyond that. He needs to use his mastered skill to reach more and more levels of mastery. It takes a very long time to reach the top. there is no way a sim could master to perfection any skill unless you would disable aging or put the lifetime to epic. The challenges are quite entertaining too. I thought the sims themselves were butt ugly but I have been able to create some very realistic and beautiful sims ( and believe me, I'm no modder!). I've also seen some beauties on the exchange and other sites. EA told the truth when they said this game opens up your sims to an entire world.
Give it a chance. You'll never know unless you try it.

ps. I have uninstalled the Sims 2.

^ That's boring and stupid in my opinion. I hate being controlled, and I hate forcing my sims to do something they don't want to do. Wow, lets force this sim to reach the top of the medical career. I'm sorry but I like to actually allow my sims a life. Life isn't all about work EA! 1gah Ha-ha you uninstalled TS2 to make room for the game, like I did or did you just want to replace the game like we all did with TS1? ;)

Nope, I wasted my money on Sims 3, played it for a week, then put it on Craigslist with 12 other people. I then reinstalled Sims 2 and all my mods! EA needs to pull their head out of their you know what, and start listening to what WE want!

my bf pre-ordered it for me, which was very sweet of him considering my addiction to the sims 2. but i was weary and never uninstalled TS2, i am glad i didnt. he plays the sims 3 occasionally since he lives here, but for now im sticking with 2.

Yup, and eating life fruit will work quite well if you don't want to set the aging to epic. That way your sims can outlive their enemies.

I was actually playing the game today again. :-\

I really don't see what the fuss is about aside from better graphics and short loading times (but I'm sure those loading times will increase when CC comes out). I found myself trying to sneak off onto the internet or cook or have some excuse to get away from the game XD lol My subconscious is telling me that it's pretty boring.

4/10 for me. I stopped playing in about 40 mins. Only about 20 mins of actual gameplay since I kept sneaking off lol

But that's just me. Some people are addicted to the game. I don't see how....

Well, I still have Sims2 installed and I don't think I'm going to get the Sims3... :-\  I'm too in love with the Sims2  ;D  plus I just reinstalled my freetime ep and that's like starting over from scratch which is fun to me  :D I am finding so many other things that I didn't have before and that is the coolest part  3yay.  What I will do is catch up on stuff packs..I'm kinda behind  :(  my last stuff pack is H & M & my last ep is freetime. I am not ready for the sims3.  The Sims2 has captured my heart and hide the key  1rock

@chuckbuzz :

Excuse me, but if I want to reach levels of mastery I can play NWN2 or BG2 or whatever else all right. I have no need of The Sims for that.

Sorry, but I find Final Fantasy challenges more entertaining.

You sound like me every time I have to study for my Chinese lessons -- suddenly I feel hungry, sleepy, need urgently to visit the loot, and things like that. :D  I think you should unistall it from your pc instead of pushing yourself to... get used to it.

Ha! I beat you there. I played for a whole 30 minutes -- thinking back that game session gives me the creeps. Boooooring. 

Maybe they don't see any difference between role-playing and soap-opera games?

 

As has been said many times, there is no need to bash people or be patronizing toward them for liking the game. Everyone else has been allowed to say why they hate it. Chuckbuzz, or anyone else, is allowed to say why they like it. You can like or dislike it all you want, but please be civil about it or this thread will join the others that have been locked. 

No bashing and no patronising at all, sorry if it came across this way. It was just my counter-argument -- I'm sure people who already love the game won't let anything be on their way to TS3 bliss.

I think it's as others wrote before (I can't take credit for it) ... the Sims 3 appeals to people who like certain challenges and aspects of the game. For instance, unless some modders change the configuration ... and yes, I have faith that someone will figure out how one day ... if you want a Milla Sim, a "normal" Sim, an Athletic/Bodybuilder Sim, a C-cup or larger female Sim in one house, you are going to have an awful hard time doing it. If you don't mind not having that wide a range of detailed shapes in your game (and many don't, since in Sims 2, that took an awful lot of mB!), you'll probably think the variety out there is fine. Some may be perfectly happy to alter the shape using sliders.

If you love building strange or custom-built houses on a variety of lots, you might have a hard time with this game for the time being. I like the challenge of trying to build and landscape a house on an out-of-the way hilly lot or making a house on an "island", for instance, using the wonderful neighborhood camera mods out there to expand my choice of sites even further. If you like all different styles of furniture a la Tarox, the new game might be limiting at present.

If you tend to get bored playing the same group of Sims for days, this is probably not the game for you at the moment. I enjoy flitting between families and making them interact with each other. I have at least a dozen families in most of my neighborhoods at any given time. Right now, I have only up to Seasons. If I have a dozen families in Riverblossom, five dorms in Uni, a dozen families Downtown, and a dozen families in the Shopping District, that gives me 41 different families to play with. And yes, I visit almost each household at least once or twice. (There are a few households that are slated for the cowplant, though, I admit!) I can't imagine playing with just a few households.

But if you enjoy focusing on a smaller group and meeting certain challenges concerning its members, and focusing on just this group, this game might be just fine. And that IS just how some people like it, and to reference an old song, it's their "prerogative".

I do admit, though, that still, I've never seen a Sims game before with such polarized groups on a forum. Was Sims Online this polarized? I'm not sure.

 2hug  You know I felt exactly the same way when I first started playing it, but I gave it a go and now I absolutely love it. Once again it's the first thing I think of when I wake up. The people are a bit iffy with the way they look and walk but they can do so much now, they can head off for a walk pick up things from the ground and go home and plant them. I dislike not having other hair because they are so basic but i like being able to change the colour and texture of everything from hair ribbons to earings and clothes and furniture, my girls have pink everything. It's funny to see the men in a pink hello kitty tshirt (from Mod the sims) and having the boys in pink bunny slippers. If you haven't given it a chance for more than 2 days to feel your way around then you may be ripping yourself off. Some are going to give a a couple of days and still not like it because of the quality we had with sims 2 but thats ok. Each to their own!

The Sims Online was a marred and utter failure, a fact that EA has owned up to thankfully. The Sims 3 on the other hand? Not so much. It'll take a while, but eventually they'll own up to the fact that they have egg on their faces. Hell, the game's been out a close to a month now and just last night I saw a TV spot for it. A MONTH later. You figure they'd be advertising the hell out of since last year when they announced it. But that's a rant all to itself that I'll save for another post. The fact of the matter is this, like I said in the past, The Sims 3 is only "The Sims" in name alone. It only carries but a small bit of the aesthetic elements of it's predecessors. (Emphasis on the world "small".) They made the game more of a "game" with goals to achieve then a sandbox "dollhouse" kind of game that allows you to make what you want of it. That might be fine for most, but more people tend to lean to what TS2 had to offer. In NO WAY was TS2 perfect. But in comparison to what's available and the overall feel of TS3, people are realizing that TS2 ain't as bad as they thought. What I love most is how all the folks who praised TS3 as being the 2nd coming of gaming heaven, and how they're totally done with TS2 are now on forums crying foul about how they wasted their money, and all over the place in WCIF sections trying to retrieve links to TS2 CC they foolishly got rid of. Cracks me up every time I read such a post. Will the game ever reach the level that TS2 has? Eventually. But as I've said in posts before, that's going to be YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEARS down the road. 4, 5, maybe even 6 years from now. We didn't start seeing the balls out, kick ass CC for TS2 until about 2007, and the base game was releases in late 2004. That's with TS2 being open source. The closed source coding of TS3 is a tough nut to crack, and while their are modders who are tirelessly trying to do so to this moment, it's going to take a bit longer for more ambitious and visually appealing content to be released, unless it's from EA that is. All in all, I still stand on the fact that the game has potential. But it's going to take a long time for that potential to be realized, and by the time it is...I'm afraid it may end up being to late for it to even matter. But in the end, we still have TS2. :D

I think a lot of people are comparing the TS3 base game to TS2 and all of it's EPs and SPs. Compare it base game to base game, and this base game, in my opinion, offers more for sims to do than the TS2 base game did. I just got the game on Friday and, I'll admit I was nervous, but then I decided to go into it not expecting a thing. I've spent more time giggling my backside off at my insane, kleptomaniac, daredevil, evil, athletic sim doing the "Watch this" interaction to other sims, which entails her scooping up a handful of whatever's on the ground and eating it. There's so much potential for hilarity with her. She doesn't just drink juice, she drinks evil juice. Nor does she just jog. She extreme jogs. She wears what she wants, so she goes (extreme) jogging in a dress and high heels or wears her bathing suit to work. She'll walk down the street, then randomly change clothes to something else, like her pajamas, and keep walking like nothing is out of order. I like little details like that and I really like the trait system over the horoscope one used in 1 & 2

There's a lot of things I'm used to I would definitely love to see, weather being a big one. I can live with the skins; they really don't bug me so much, though the lips can tend to look like a pair of wrestling worms stuck the chins of some sims. ;) If I want to play another family, I just make sure I put my game on pause before saving and exiting. I've never had an issue with strange things happening to other families while I'm off playing another. When I went back into play the other family, they were still paused and just continued where I left off. :)

That being said, I do still have TS2 on my computer. I still love it. I guess I'm lucky, because I have the space to have both and not even use half of my hard drive capacity.

I've read all of the reviews and user comments across various gaming forums, and the reaction is mixed. You either love it or loath the game. But me personally, I do see the game's appeal and potential. It's just not enough to make me go and buy it, not yet. I need to see more before I start a new game when I'm about 15 Generations and well over 22GB of total CC deep in TS2. (Not that disk space is an issue, between my PC's Partition and 2 Exteranl HDs, I've got almost a TB of space.) When I see more stuff that appeals to me on an individual level, I'll add it to my collection. But it's not going to replace TS2. That's what I think the biggest misconception people have made is. The expected the game to be a replacement of TS2, whereas it's more of it's own game altogether. If you take it like that, then there's enjoyment you can have in it big time. And as Joy said, it's a base game. Base games ALWAYS suck. I didn't purchase TS2 until Nightlife, and TS1 until Hot Date was released, because those EPs had elements I enjoyed, which made me go get the game as a whole. When TS3 has an EP with similar elements, that's when I'll most likely look into getting it. My issue personally has been the way EA's handled the whole release of the game, but that's another topic. In the end, I do think the game will have a lot to offer in the future. I just hope it doesn't take EA years to get it into their brains that it might take user modding to make it happen.

When Sims 2 first came out, I was skeptical and sitting on the fence to see what other people have said about Sims 2. Sure, they compared Sims 2 to Sims 1.

I didn't buy Sims 2 until about 2 years after the game was released. But I was glad I did because I enjoyed the many new things about Sims 2 that Sims 1 lacked and discovered mods half a year later. Then modding another half a year later.

But people are entitled to their own views on Sims 3.

Everybody is entitled to sit on the fence watching others discuss the new game. Watching others share their downsides and upsides with others.


In short, keep it cool and don't bash others for their views or choices not to play or play Sims 3.

Tell Jenna that she keeps bashing me for playing it :P

Jenna bashes you for everything. You should be used to it by now, dude. :P

And for those who lament the CAS. It can make some really cool sims, however, it takes a lot of time to get the hang of it. I've seen a lot of the same basic sims being made, but every now and again, someone who has put in the hours necessary, comes up with a real winner. I suspect that this will become one of those areas that some modders will specialize in, because if you are impatient and get frustrated easily, believe me when I say you really don't want to try it too seriously.

WHAT???????

I didn't even know you couldn't see into the buildings!!! that's insane!!!!! now i feel like someone stole my puppy!!!

The only thing i want in it is the beach...it's amazing :D but not worth giving up my beautiful sims.

Yes, it's true. You can't see into the buildings that your sims go into, and cannot interact with your sims while they're doing things in them.

That's why they're called "rabbit holes", and they're despised by all the players now. They don't add anything to the game and they detract mightily. Add to that fact that you can't even make your own community lots and that really blows.

Yes, they made the Sims 3 mighty shiny. Wonder if anyone at EA even ever played the Sims 2? By the looks of this game, they didn't even try to figure it out, and built Sims 3 from air.

I've found at least two buildings you can go into, the bistro and the grill. Also the library. I know you cannot see inside the market, theater, bookstore, hospital, etc. Maybe in later releases, who knows? Adding the interior to the crypt in the cemetery would be fun, I think. Lots of possiblities for future expansions.

i was reading on another post that they may be working on a expansion pack for the sims 3. you never know ea might just lift the modding ban off the game. and give you access to look inside the supermarket. :cool:
could it be The Sims 3 University? who knows what ea has up their sleeves. i guess well find out.

no your not. I had sims 3 on my computer but got ride of it because i like 2 better.

I don't know. I read on one of the threads here that a French site was reporting the first expansion is coming in November.

I only recently ordered the game so i haven't played it yet but i'v seen a lot of default skins and eyes that seem like they'll be desperately needed i'v read nothing but negative about the game so i'm hoping i haven't wasted 50$ on a game thats really bad theres nothing worse than buying a bad game i still play sims 2 i never played sims 1 i only played the console sims games like bustin out before moving on to sims 2 and in my opinion if you took away all the mods and custom content from sims 2 i probally wouldn't like it as much i mean the original skintones are drab and the make-up looks bad and the eyes are pretty bad without default replacements for those it wouldn't look as good and the clothes are pretty awful i only ever use custom clothes and the loading thats the thing that made me want to try out sims 3 when i heard there wouldn't be a lot a loading screens thats the best thing ever however i seriously doubt i'll stop playing sims 2 because i have sims 3

Yep, I even still visit Sims 1 every now and again. I think folks are expecting too much too soon. It is still in it's infancy as a game. As mods are developed and expansions and stuff packs created, it will get better. From EA's perspective I suspect that this is a good thing, they can still milk the cash cow. On the other hand, it keeps a lot of folks employed at EA, shippers, wholesalers, retailers, etc.

i went and bought it like a fool and am desparately trying to enjoy it since it cost me £4o, but i just can't! though the graphics are a leeeetle bit better than ts2, the animation is craptacular and it pisses me off that you can't enter all the comm lots (actually go in and see what's inside them) during gameplay. also, there's not a whole lot of 'new' and 'better' like they said there would be.

Even though sims 3 have so many different things more improved than sims 2, the only thing i hated about it is the skintone,eyes and facial structure. They look like they were made out of mud and all of them look like barbie dolls face(looks fake like slicon)but in sims 2 there are a great selection of skintone and eyes and deffently you can give the sims 2 sim better facial strucure than sims 3.

Even though I confess to being hard on Sims 3, there are many positive reviews out there. It's just that there can be quite a difference of opinions re this newcomer! And IMO, EA Games held back on just what this game was capable of doing.

 I think it's just as others have written ... if you're expecting Sims 2 Amped, you won't be getting it. If you're the type who likes to place a lot of lots where you like them, have your Sims schmooze inside any store and commercial building you please, or you play a lot of families (I have dozens, and play almost all of them at one point or another), or if you don't like the idea of your Sims doing what they want without you around, you may not be fond of this game. If you like downloading distinctive custom terrains, you may not like the open neighborhood.

Oh, and you may have a big problem getting this game to play, even if you do meet the specs. But many people have had no problems.

This game is not without its charm ... actually, it has a lot of charming features .... but it does have a lot of limitations, too. Some people are not bothered by them, and some are. It's up to the individual player.

I'm still stickin' with my Sims 2 for a long while, though. :)

they really screwed the pooch on the sims 3. i was expecting better.
not looking forward to the oncoming expansion.
my excitement for new sims series games coming out has vanished for good, as long as they continue working on the sims 3.

Coming into the sims2 world later than most, I was happy with just my TS2 double deluxe for months awaiting the arrival of Sims3.  Even then I expected it to be as advertised--all the glory of TS2 plus the freedom to roam about.

So ok I installed it, tested it and though very disappointed, thought that it added a lot to TS2 but just wasn't done very well i.e., so much more could have been accomplished.  That was back in June.

Not satisfied with the loss of CC and hacks I opted to uninstall it and add one EP to see more of TS2.  Seasons was the one I chose and I'm sure like everyone elses' first encounter it blew my mind.  But it also did something else.  It opened my eyes further to EA's incredible lack of effort on TS3.  Many things I said should have been in ts3 was already right there in Seasons EP: Fertilize many, nature interactions, plus weather & more.  All the good things like the larger money tree interesting fruits, vampirefish etc. now looked like shortcuts to quick money instead of improvements on what could have been an awesome game.

Then I went for it--added all Ep's and Sp's. Geez, what an eyeopener.

I haven't even come close to experiencing everything yet, but all I can think is wow EA really owes a debt of gratitude to the modders out there and sites like this one.  All of you--those who have been simmers for years knew what TS2 offered in it's "complete" form (all ep's).   Still everyone made their critiques and though many were harsh, creators and players alike still decided to take it apart and try to figure out how to make it better.  

Again I have to give you credit.  Because after seeing all the Ep's I truly see how much (like gardening) was already available, not innovative at all...just pretty much TS2 watered way down and cloaked with a few surprises to keep you curious for a bit.

I had no clue that so very much of the stuff I thought was cool in TS3 was already old TS2 stuff dumbed down and put in a new wrapper.

So congrats to being faithful even in the face of EA's lack of concern for what its' solidly faithful base wanted. That's not sarcasm.  I really do believe EA owes all of you a debt of gratitude after finally fully understanding how they targeted new unfamiliar players instead of satisfying it's loyal community.

Sims 3 is a nice commercial.  Now when are they coming out with a true sequel to TS2?

Debt of gratitude from that lot? recently they shut down a site for being silly enough to allow one of their members to provide a link to one of their scabby store items.
The only interest those fleas at EA. have is dollars, and there appears to be no limit to the depth they are prepared to stoop in order to ensure they squeeze every last cent out of us.
That incident was the last straw for me. I will not purchase anything anymore with their logo on it.
And yes I will continue to play sims2.

In my mind, there seems to be two phases of the Sims franchise: Before Sims 2 Seasons and After Sims 2 Seasons.

I played Sims 1 on Game Cube, and it blew me away. I was so green that I didn't even realize you could toggle the characters, and as a result, my Bob Newbie acted like some of those people on the TV Show "1000 Ways to Die". I had to keep exiting out of the game! My kids still laugh at that Sims phase in my life. But I really liked playing the game, despite Bob.

Then I learned to toggle. (Hmmm .... maybe I should have kept playing Bob untoggled.) The game amazed me even more, and I bought The Urbz because I couldn't get enough. (And by the way, I actually liked The Urbz.)

I kept reading that playing The Sims on the PC was much better than playing it on console, so I watched EBay carefully (when I buy Sims games, I never pay the original price ... I wait for a good sale at a local store or Amazon, or get it off EBay, either new or used) and picked up Sims 2. "They" were right. I'd wait eagerly for expansions, read all I could about them, make sure that either EA or a free-site modder fixed the problems, wait for that sale/used copy, and pick up that expansion ... usually about six months after it came out. I couldn't wait to play it, and my family would have to peel me off the computer because they had to use it for less-enjoyable tasks.

Seasons was the apex for me. I thoroughly enjoyed the weather, the neighborhood, the content, the penguin. It was, for me, the epitome of the Sims games. It still is.

Then came Bon Voyage and Securom, and the party was over for me. I kept reading of more and more bugs in the post-Seasons games ... bugs that did much more than turn my grass blue. And what was worse, the gameplay just didn't make me wait on EBay with bated breath anymore. I almost capitulated with Free Time, but didn't want to mess with no-CD cracks or arring.

I read about Sims 3, and thought that if EA got wise and got rid of the Securom, I might give it a go. Then I saw the previews and was rather unimpressed. I was hoping for a game that would make Seasons pale by comparison. But EA seems to be ... well, I've already expressed my view on Sims 3 here a few times. No need to repeat again.

EA can turn this around. They can re-release the post-Seasons Sims 2 games without Securom. Give the re-releases a fancy title, such as "Sims Redux". Even add a couple of extra goodies to them, like a new song download or two by some hot band, or add some new free content. (Those who already bought the expansions can claim them if they've registered on the official site by entering a special code.) I would probably buy Free Time then. Maybe I'd buy even more expansions. Oh, and do something about the Securom for those who unfortunately wound up with it because they bought BV and beyond. (Heck, maybe EA could even release a new Securom-free expansion occasionally!)

EA can also add loads of free content to Sims 3, perhaps as a "thank you for buying _______ copies" sort of promotion. Fix ALL of the bugs we know of at this time. Provide their own downloadable Body Shop where people can customize their Sims a whole lot better. Maybe, if possible, actually provide a way to get into some of the "rabbit holes".

I want some of the "magic" back again. I miss it. But of course, I know that EA will do no such thing ... not unless they have to.

Ditto Ganazia.   I should mention that a huge benefit of being one of the last people in the universe to try Sims 2 (I've never seen Sims 1) ;) is the noCD cracks and the instructions from MATY on how to avoid SeCurom when installing your games. 

I'd never have considered expanding with any EP's if the option to do it safely (i.e., securom-free) wasn't there.

After having my DVD player destroyed by SuckaRom I learned, thanks to Mary, her Reclaim Your Game site as well as Pescado's MATY and their instructions that you can still buy all TS2 EPs and play the game with a No-DVD/CD version.

About the "rabbit holes" of TS3, people shouldn't concern themselves over it too much. I am quite sure future EPs will make these places available for Sims to visit, and if I recall correctly the same was true for TS2.  As for the bugs, I wouldn't rely on EAxis for that, but on all those wonderful people of the Sim community around. History has tought us they are the ones who fix bugs and problems, not EAxis.

*going back to my TS2 play*

I remember when we got those two going, PRISM and RYG, it was all uphill and at the time, it was worth it. The way things are going now, I dunno. All I know is that retirement from those two sites has been good for me. IF EA were to do what Ganazia suggests, they might gain me back as a customer, but that's about as possible as hearing a bat fart in a hurricane. I don't download the games illegally and I sure in the heck do not buy them. Burn out happens to all of us sooner or later and it happened to me. *sigh* Some days, I just feel so bloody old.

 2laugh I just pictured that. 

I've played the Sims series since the Sims came out.  ... I remember my first house... I joined the military career because it paid the most.

In any case...

I find Sims 3 to be a better game than Sims 2.  Although my gf's instance is bugged (I think because of a Mod she installed), I've had far, far more stability out of this game than any of the others, even after the others were fully patched.  I've never had a Crash in Sims 3.  I used to have crashes in sims 2 every couple of days (which tended to make me stop playing for awhile..)

From a developer perspective, either their team has grown dramatically in size, or their code base has shrunk and become much more maintainable (hence why they are able to come out with an expansion so quickly...) The increase in stability (from my perspective, anyways), in addition to the ridiculously faster load times, indicate that the application is just... better designed.


I find that my sims don't stare blankly at the wall anymore, but behave rationally given their sets of traits.  I found the Horoscope system and collection of binary spectrums to be very limiting and sorta trite.  The use of traits is just really a much more natural reflection of reality, and that those traits are used to guide the sims when they act autonomously just greatly enhances my game play.

There are things missing.  I miss dates, College... The other things (pets, vacations) I tended to find to be interesting but nothing that would make/break the game for me.  I look forward to the eventual return of magic, as well.

This is the first installment in a series that will, just like the Sims 2, last for several years.  The Sims 3 is a great base to grow off of.  I'm obsessed with it, though I'd sorta rather not be, since it takes my time away from other pursuits, but, so it goes.  I enjoy the graphics far more, as the sims 3 graphics were dated.  I like the customization, and that I don't need to rely on Modders to have new textures or colors for furniture.  I have little to no artistic talent, but i can generally style things okay, atleast pleasing to me... So Modding on my own was never an option, but this egalitarian approach to customization is something that has been great for me.  Truly enhanced gameplay.  I look forward to a multitude of new Meshes from modders, who now no longer have to spend time creating skins, but can focus on truly beautiful models...

Yes, it is NOT the Sims 2.  And YES it is a Sims game.  As such, there will be many things missing, and many things to be found in common.

Anyways Uh.. Play what you enjoy.  If you don't like Sims 3, don't play it you know?  You'll always have Sims 2.

And if you enjoy Sims 3... then don't let the opinions of others try to sway you from enjoying it.

Oh and.. I hate the EA store thing.  I'm not partaking of it.  It's stupid, and flies in the face of what has made the Sims series so popular-- the modding community.

Fair 'nuff, fglrxandyou. Fair 'nuff . :)

Hey, I still haven't completely ruled out buying Sims 3. But in addition to the gameplay glitches and quirks, I still don't know if I'm going to risk wasting $30 - 33 US (EBay prices) for a game that might not even play on my system. So many computers, both old and new, have had trouble with this game. Too bad there wasn't a real Sims 3 demo that one could try to see if it would be OK on his/her computer.  Thanks to a certain computer component manufacturer's incompetence, I just shelled out a pile of cash to fix my computer. I'm in no mood to shell out more.

Anyway, I still think that if EA is smart, they will actually continue with both Sims 2 and Sims 3. Hey, why not even toss in a PC version of The Urbz or Bustin' Loose just for fun? A PC version of The Urbz may be interesting, though I hope the game loads a bit faster between districts than on the console.

EA could primarily push Sims 3, but toss in an occasional expansion or special for the two older series .... don't discard them entirely. Then everyone can be happy, I hope, and all of us can continue to enjoy newer versions of our favorite Sims series, whichever one that is.

No, I haven't been drinking, or smoking anything illegal. Just daydreaming! And I know again that EA will most likely never do this. I think I have more of a chance of seeing your proverbial porcine mammals airborne. EA is relying too much on Sims 3.

Ah, well. Back to Seasons, I suppose!

Well, I bought the game. Originally to tear it apart and it inturn swayed my opinion.

I have to agree with fglrxandyou for the most part about the Sims 3, though, I dont get the errors with the Sims 2. Nor do I particularly mind the load times. Considering how much stuff I run, it runs pretty fast.

But, for me, while Sims 3 is very good. Its also quite limited. I like what it has to offer, which has ALOT of potentiol. But, I miss the controllability that I had with the Sims 2. And I still hate how hard EA has made it to mod the game, whatever their reasons, be it money driven, which it likely is 100%, or to curve complaints over adult oriented material, that was just a plain idiotic move.

I am simply growing ever frustrated with being unable to play the game how I wish. That even though I have an Anti-Jealousy mod which enables my Sims to make out and this and that, they still get that blasted betrayal moodlet if they are anywhere on the lot if one Sim they love invites another to even cuddle in a bed. Let alone woohoo.

And I cannot breed Sims how I wish, or without using the Awesomemod, have more then 8 Sims on a lot. And the relationship interactions now, frankly, annoy me. I have never heard of someone being so turned on that they suddenly fall out of the mood. Which thats what happens.

Dont get me wrong, the game is quite good. But it can be better. And for me, it will be better once the thing has been completely busted open.

Or EA gets their heads on straight and reverse's this whole closed source Anti-Mod bussiness.

 :'(

I hate it when they removed the "memories" That is my favorite feature of Sims 2. I don't freaking want to type a Bio for the sim. I want memories. Its fulfilling for me. I also don't like the fact that The sims in sims 3 looks flabby. The skin was too cartoony. Despite of downloading custom skins, they still look damn cartoony.

I hate the double Chin.

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I will buy reinstall sims 3 on my computer once they have an expansion where I can see whats inside the buildings like resturants.

I was not excited for the sims 3, either. Specially because I was afraid not being able to play it in my computer, since my videocard is an onboad intel 31.
Well, but I became curious. And I bought it, it was an impulse. I thought "well, i will buy a new video card soon anyway, so..."
I installed it still asking myself if I was not wasting my money. And of course I left my sims 2 game installed.
Then the game worked fine. I started to play and everything was great. I was able to put the graphics at maximum, and I'm sure the graphics can be much better then what I could see, but anyway, it was beautiful, lots of details, reflections and everything.
A few hours later I was so in love with the game that I unistalled my sims 2, thinking "there is no coming back, now". And I started the downloads. And I played till I had no more strenght, I just couldn't stop.
I think some people are disappointed because when we changed to the sims 2, there was a huge difference, we could see their faces so close for the first time, change their hair, their makeup, buit their faces, and all. Now it's not such a big difference regarding that.
And now we are used to all that great CC, wich makes the game so beautiful, and gives us any option we want in the game (it's unbelieveable how much we have), so, when we play a game with almost no CC, it's weird, we miss it. But surely it's only a matter of time. I can't wait to see how amazing this game will look in the future, the near future, i'm sure.
Before I played it, I didn't like the new look of the characters, now, I think they are much more beautiful than in sims 2. It's a little more complicated to deal wit the CAS, but it's worthy. The first sim i created was a little weird, but the second one was already a total babe.
But the best is their personalities. You have to play it guys.
So I tought I would rather just keep playing sims 2, but... I was wrong. Sims 3 is awsome. Give it a chance.

I'm glad you like it, but no, I don't have to play it.

I miss the weather and the pets from TS2. Oh! and the pose boxes, but I'm sure they will be made for TS3 as well. Not the rest, though

When I first got I felt like they ripped my heart out and then put it baq in!!!! It was my 1st sims  game tooo!!!!!!!! So I have started buying the Sims 2 games and they are AMAZING!!!!!!!! I HATE SIMS 3!!!!!!!

My friend has sims3 and we played it for a while today. I am ashamed. I want that game destroyed actually. She is convinced that it is the greatest- but then again she's never played sims 2...  :rolleyes:

I am so glad I never invested in the Sims 3. And after reading all your posts, I feel I made the right choice.

I play it now and then forn the adventure one i like doing the quests. on the whole im playing sims 2 plus I dislike the sims 3 babies they look like cocoons and id rather see all the sim and have an option of wrapping it in a blanket.Plus I cannot understand how to download custom content at all. lol. I cant be bothered really. xxx

   I don't want to sound like one of those busy bodies, but I'm going to throw my 2 cents in this topic.  Every time I see a thread like this I already know what I'm about to read, and just like alot of Sims2 groupies I was biased and uninformed with my hate for Sims3.  
   Sims3 is a good game for those looking to play a game that isn't Sims2 related.  It's never fair to compare the two,  I don't play Sims3 near as often as I play Sims2, to be completely honest I've only turned S3 on 2 times.   Not because it's no fun, I just have ongoing projects for S2 keeping me happy, so theirs no time or need.  
   Don't shut out S3 just because it isn't S2, think of it as a new game to play while your waiting for your next inspiration in S2.  Haters relax, we're all let down with S3 but that doesn't mean 'X' it off entirely.  I don't think it's possible to WOW us anymore, we've wowwed ourselves with custom mods and creations. Maxis and EA never had a chance and they knew it.  
   In a nutshell, I am grateful S3 isn't all that with a bag of chips aren't you?  Were any of us finished with S2 in the first place?  So it's a godsend that S3 didn't replace S2 from our hearts.  Silver linings people, find the good before you give yourselve's grey hair.  Teasing and Cheers
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