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I just thought I would get this out to a few well known sites..It's a petition for EA to make a new EP for our beloved Sims2. Please READ the petition and sign! I think that with enough signatures the OP is going to send the petition to EA. Here is whats supposed to be posted to all your friends.. :p

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Hi,

I wanted to draw your attention to this important petition that I recently signed:

"EA should make another EP for The Sims 2"
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/newepforsims2/

I really think this is an important cause, and I'd like to encourage you to add your
signature, too. It's free and takes just a few seconds of your time.

Thanks!

While I would love to see something like this happen (especially if it's made Sucky-rom free), I think I'll pass on signing it.  The last time I even bothered to sign an e-petition, my e-mail information was compromised, along with a few hundred other people's.  And EA doesn't give a rat's behind about online petitions anyways... there'd be better luck in actually getting everyone in on this to mail them the old fashion way.  Not trying to be a downer or anything, but that's sadly just how it is... :-\

To be honest a new EP for the Sims 2 isn't going to happen. As it happened with Sims 1, once 2 came out, they no longer developed the first game. Now TS3 is out TS2 isn't getting anything new. Also, as Tenshii said, online petitions are just bad news. I've never signed them and my reasons for not doing so were proven right no too long ago when another e-petition being circulated around the simming community was compromised.

I wuld love for a new EP to come out, but there is truly no chance of that. Sims 3 is here, and we sims 2-er's have been left in the dust :/

yes, I agree - with BOTH points of view.

Yes, Another EP for Sims 2 would be amazing,
and Yes, it ain't gonna happen.

Oh and I'm not surprised about the petition sites being compromised. Since I signed one or two petitions I am now getting an amazing amount more spam. Even if the site itself isn't selling email addresses there may well be an easy hack to get the addresses. My spam filter is kept busy, (hundreds of messages a day). Unless you change your email addy, which is inconvenient, that's all you can do.

Not signing anything that gives me more mail spam than I already get... Not when there is no chance the signing will do any good.

After 9 EPs and uhm... not sure how many SPs, most PCs tend to struggle. My laptop started begging for mercy after FT, and any more now, my PC will probably start groaning too. And I don't think there's a chance for more EPs with Sims 3 out, not when it starts to look like EA are about to abandon Sims 3 soon, too.

Honestly, I think the community can make better stuff now than EA manages on their own. The more recent EPs and SPs didn't add much new, and the EPs tend to contain more stuff we don't need than stuff we really want.

Oh my goodness... EA about to abandon Sims 3 already?  I hadn't heard about that.  Where did you read that? 

Someone mentioned it here at Insim, I think. Don't know if it's true, but they're seemingly spending less and less energy (read: money) on advertising the EPs. Realizing it's a sinking ship, maybe...

  I agree, and agree, and agree some more and all points made here.  But I will add, if they ever did come out with a 'anything sims2 related ep or s2'  It should be a remover of their own maxis stuff in buy and build and CAS mode.  The stuff that I still never use because its just so random/useless/ugly or whatever.  If I could rid my game permanently of the stuff I dont use it would run so much smoother.  For others too I'm sure. 
  In conclusion lol lets all cross our fingers that this major hit they took with S3 will enlighten them and encourage them to get the job done with a mind blowing S4.  I'll wait up to 5-8 yrs on a game aslong as its great in the end.  Look at the most popular games ever made, all of them had tremendously long development times.  Here's hoping!  cheers.

If you want EAxis stuff hiders, there are plenty at MTS2 (http://www.modthesims.info/browse.php?tag=hider&gs=&f=38&gs=0). Don't count on EA...  :-\

The reason Sims 1 was considered great, was because it was a mostly new consept, and because Will Wright and Maxis was behind it. Not EA, who bought up Maxis somewhere around when they realized it was a great way of scooping in more money.

The reason Sims 2 was great, was because Maxis/WW still had a hand into it (at least the basegame, can't remember the entire story here), and because the change from TS1 to TS2 was such a great jump in graphics, and much wider in what you could do, that they got a a whole lot of new players into it.

The reason Sims 3 is considered a flop, is because it was entirely EA's creation (if you look away from what they stole from Sims 2, of course - which was about 80% of the entire concept, including recycling most of the animations). What was their own creations in this, they either missed entirely on what people wanted, or didn't make it quite into what it could be. They let down too many players, which is why a lot of the old TS2 players still refuses to have anything to do with it. 

The jump from TS1 to TS2 was a mountain, compared to TS2 to TS3 which was about the top of an anthill...

Sims 4... Maybe someday, in the future. But I would have been much more optimistic if EA weren't behind it...

Yes your right Theraven, I read alot about this, 7pages of it to be exact in the S3 discussion.  I know about the hiders, the EA content still drags your load time and wastes your space, only now you can't see them lol.  Kinda thought they were being a little communist about locking their content like that.  No biggee though I obvious don't care that much I'm still playing and paying for it right? lol...
  If anyone seriously wanted to start a petition for EA on any matter being it fixing S3, new S2, or bundled S1, wouldn't it make more sense to do it at EA's site in their forums or blogs wherever?  Hard to ignore something thats being waved in your face everywhere you look on your own site right?  Just a thought, a happy one lol.

I didn't mean for this thread to be a big deal. :p I was just bored and thought I would post it, because it would be awesome for another EP to be made, and I just wanted to inspire as many people as I could to sign it. That's pretty funny (actually downright hilarious in my opinion.) that EA is considering dropping TS3. I wondered how long it would take the morons to figure out that TS3 is a HUGE         ---->              FAIL..

I mean I will admit I have installed and uninstalled it on more than one occasion, but I just kept telling myself 'Self you spent 60$ on this game, you've got to atleast try and enjoy it..' Well no matter how hard I try I just can't get used to it. I don't care whats made for the game as far as mods go, the gameplay and the whole game in general is just so cartoony and Sims Oneish,  I just can't get myself so hyped up over it and love it as dearly as I do my Sims2. I'm sorry, thats just how I feel, and it won't change, hence the reason for this thread. I don't want to sit and bash TS3, because theres alot of folks out there that really are abandoning TS2 for TS3, just as they did TS1. But you know, that is there prerogative and most will stick to it. ;)

At least now they have to come up with good(ish) EPs to make people buy their games...

Still, they should call in an exterminator to get some control over their bugs. When their patches are buggier than the actual game they are supposed to fix, it's no wonder people starts hating EA and decides to abandon Sims 3 because their version of the game is too buggy to be any fun, or randomly blows up because of Securom...

EA and their "brilliant" ideas... Like I said, if someone had decided to make a new EP for TS2, I sincerely hope someone else than EA were behind the creation of it...

I LOVE Sims 2!  Yes, I think there should be more EPs for it!  I sign!

I don't sign on-line petition since the last one to EA was hacked and 600+ signers(myself included) were accused of pirating pay files.

While it sounds good on paper, a new EP won't be made.  The game engine and computers can handle much more.

yeah I tend to stay away frrom petitions too. Especially since the odds of them working are extremely slim

in a perfect world they would bundle the whole game, meaning S2, include all the bonus material all the prepaid people recieved, with add-ons (like what maty fixes, only maxis made for once).  I think if they took the time to bundle it, with fixes and neccessary programs like homecrafter and bodyshop the game wouldn't be so hard to run for lower end machines.  Think I'll post this at the EA site and see what response I get there.

Good luck, but be warned that they are ban happy jerks over there.

*prepares a nice eulogy for HappyThoughts*

lol awww thats so nice of you jenna, thanks for the warning too Paden, I've never posted there before, I'll try to be clever and keep it unassuming or get banned so I can talk about it on here.

**Also not to beat a dead horse, but don't they realise the sims2 would have lost all it's popularity years ago if it weren't for the great mods and grand designs of their creative customers.  Expansion packs and Stuff packs are fine and dandy but without the custom content, I know I would have been finished playing with this game after pets.

EA never gave a soaring rats behind about the fans, all they care about is taking the fan's money.

 1agree The thing that gets me the most about TS3 is most of the new features introduced can be added to TS2 with a few mods. (Sleeping on public lots, triplets and quads...) and TS2's graphics beat TS3's by a country mile, so with a little modding, there isn't much difference between the two for me. Plus, if they ever did give a rat's behind about the petition, we'd never get the original Sims 2 back. Will Wright sold off the Sims, and the original Maxis team is gone. Which means, it would never be like good ol' TS2 again.

I highly doubt that EA will make an EP for a game that isn't being produced anymore,besides,most people actually prefer the Sims 3 over the Sims 2.But you wouldn't know that from all of the whining on the internet.

really? I've yet to meet somebody in real life who's liked the sims 3 better either.

From everyone that I've spoken to online as well as in person, which are a great many, all of them believe that Sims 3 bites the proverbial wiener. They don't whine, they don't whinge, they state quite unemotionally and matter-of-factly that the game sucks the big one. The pure lack of research into what makes a good game of this sort shows in the sheer borkedness of the boxed crap that bears the name, "Sims 3."

Aint that the truth! Even though its a good game, I hate TS3 SO much. It is buggy, no machine can run it properly, and the lack of CC support. AND the updates corrupt the game Why did they do this? EA betrayed the fans by releasing a rushed and flawed game.

I've got up to World Adventures, and I hardly play it.   

But, I will say this much, the rate of speed that they're cranking out the EP's and SP's spooks me. How freaking buggy are these things going to be?!!? Seems like "overkill" to me.

As for signing the petition, not in a million years. After what happened with the other one, which I didn't sign, makes me very very leery to sign one at all.

then boycott EA like I am doing

That, I cannot do. They put out two other games I play. Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2. And, at the end of the year, Mass Effect 3.

I no longer get any products from EA Games, but that is due to the economy and a few other reasons that people at this site already know. Thing is, people are going to do what they are going to do and you can't force them to believe or do as you do. It's called freedom of choice and we are all born with the right to exercise it.

I hang out over at the BioWare forums. I mostly read and watch video's. I'm learning without having to ask questions. But, I did ask one or two. Anyhoo, the people that complain about EA over there is remarkable. It's almost like any Sims forum.

I have yet to complain. I'm so freaking grateful I have a game I enjoy playing, other than, the Sims. Both I got with my unemployment. The third game I'm getting for Christmas....Late.

I actually had more problems with the sims 2 than I have ever experienced with the sims 3,mainly because it's the CC and hacks that trash the game,I know from experience.Besides,I still play the sims 2 on rare occasions,but I merely like the sims 3 better.The open neighbourhood and no loading screens are fantastic,the graphics are more realistic and the endless customization is amazing. I don't understand why people complain about rabbit holes so much,in the sims 2 when it came to go to work they just got into their cars and dissapeared,so doesn't that make the whole world a rabbit hole? Besides,any intelligent human being couldn't compare something to one thing that has been out 6 years,with 8 EPs,8 SPs,to something that has been out 1 year with 2 EP's and 1 SP.I remember when the Sims 2 forums were in full swing,everyone complained about how "borked"that game was too at the time,so now all of a sudden the sims 2 has no problems? Really?

Each to their own. But, Sims 2 didn't need to have updated patches bi-weekly or however often Pescado has to make an updated version of Awesomemod. I'm not saying the game didn't have its problems and if you're trying to infer that I did say that, then you are sadly mistaken. It just seems to me and a good many others that Sims 3 has more problems than should be acceptable to the people that shell out hard-earned money in this day and age.

EA wanted folks to be able to make custom content for Sims 2, so they pretty much left it open to be modded. Such is not the case for Sims 3. From the standpoint of someone that makes content for the Sims 2 game, I much prefer something I don't have to fight with and pray that it won't break people's games when I put it out for download.

Hmm. My experience has been the opposite. Any problems people found with TS2, I found, was usually because they weren't careful with what they downloaded and didn't make sure mods were compatible with new EPs or they didn't read the instructions properly, not because of a failure with the game. There's certainly a good amount of that same issue in the TS3, but the game really is broken. True, there were glitches that had to be patched with the TS2, but you'll notice they only had to release one patch per EP, not one every week or so.

Even without using any mods or cc, I had to uninstall and reinstall TS3 more times in the year it has been released than I ever did in the years I played TS2. My eighth uninstall was my last. I haven't even been tempted to try again. It's a glitchy monstrosity made even glitchier by the patches, whereas the three times I had to reinstall my Sims 2 game was because of things unrelated to the game (twice due to hard drive failure and once because I got a completely new computer).

Also, I have a big issue with the way they're pushing out the SPs and EPs for TS3. In a year they've released two EPs and a SP and have a new EP coming out as well as a SP (I believe). They don't seem to be taking the time to properly test them and get the bugs out. Instead they're letting the public do their beta testing for them. It would be one thing if they asked people to sign up for beta testing, like some other games do, but they're not. They're releasing them as ready EPs and getting us to pay for the privilege of beta testing. I'd happily take one EP and one SP a year if it meant they were releasing a more stable product. I know there are some people who have had no problems, but they're few and far between.

There are fun things about TS3 and you won't hear me deny that. I enjoyed the tomb exploring in WA and the new jobs in Ambitions, but I prefer the Sims 2 by far. I know they won't ever release a new EP or SP for TS2 and I'm fine with it.

If one isn't careful to check for compatibility of mods with Sims 2, you can stop or crash the game-but once it does it once or twice, you start becoming more careful about installing mods. I've got 250 different modifying hacks and tweaks in my game, but I've been very cautious to check them against one another-and it hasn't crashed yet.
True, it can grind to a halt if you have houses or content that doesn't work, but you find it quickly enough-and I haven't had to reinstall the game at all since 2008, even with new EP's. That says a lot about the stability and hardiness of the game itself.
I could never imagine uninstalling and reinstalling a game countless times to just play it for a few hours. I'd throw it out the window-or in the trash bin. It's shameful the way EA is just cranking the stuff out without checking or testing it, and they're going to pay a huge price eventually by word of mouth and reputation loss.
On the original question though-EA has literally abandoned Sims 2, and we're probably better off for it-because they don't have the original studio that made it in place-and I wouldn't trust the staff they do have to write code that won't grind your computer to a standstill. See what they do with Sims 3? Do you think we could trust them to do better than that for Sims 2? No way.
In other words, EA has become totally greedy and incompetent.

I've not gone to the step to start putting any CC for Sims 3, simply because it's a totally new system. Both the putting in CC, and the "does this match to my combination of EPs, or that patch, or conflict with that base mod or..." Well - it confuses me... I still have very few glitches with Sims 2 with no CC in. And I've not patched anything yet. I've had some serious glitches already with Sims 3, and that's without CC. No patches ther, either - but EA should do Beta testing on the patches too, considering how much damage they sometimes do. Granted, I've managed without CC so far, because of the patterns - but meshes do become boring fast, and EA isn't known for giving us a lot of options, exactly...

CC is easy for Sims 2. Just make sure you've got the correct EPs and you're ready to go. If something crash, it conflicts with another mod - and very rarely the game itself. As long as you have the right EPs and SPs, you can download and use pretty much anything when it comes to other CC. I've got all of them, so I only have to worry if they're older mods. My game is full of CC, and I get crashes very rarely. Usually only with conflicting mods, memory troubles (all EPs + 15-20 GB of CC is quite a lot...), or borked CC. Rarely difficult to figure out what's wrong.

I agree with MaryH. What good is having the TS2 back if there's a chance it could totally ruin the epicness of the game? I always hang onto the tiny hope Will Wright will see how badly this new "creator" has messed up his beloved game and swoop in and fix it. But unfortunately, this isn't a fairytale...

When Will sold the franchise to EA, he lost any and all say into what goes into the games. Even if he were to protest all that has been done, it would do no good because once the money was in his hand, he lost any right to advise the company on what to put in or leave out or to gripe about what happens with his brainchild.

I think that EA should lose the rights to the sims franchise.

There's no way that is going to happen, unless they sell it to a rival company. Are you really that ignorant to think they're going to do something like that, after all of the money that has rolled into the company's bank account through the years from this franchise? Keep dreaming. They're going to keep on milking this cash cow until she drops to her knees and then they'll make whatever they can out of it, but they are never going to give it up unless the company rides the ragged edge of going broke. I don't see that happening, they've got their nasty fingers into too many pies for that to happen. No, we're stuck with EA owning the Sims and there's not a damn thing we can do about it.

 ^ I guess it's just time to except the ugly truth. EA really messed it up, didn't they? With how realistic things became in Apartment Life, I had high hopes for Sims 3. Not so much anymore, and I'm not exactly holding my breath for the release of The Sims 4. I've given up on any new Sims games...Oh, well. It was fun while it lasted.

I'm sorry, I respect your love for sims 3 but I gotta address those three things I put in bold.

1. Any problems regarding custom content on sims 2 is probably from too much CC or not getting them from a reliable source. But it's mostly due to too much CC. So any CC related screw ups were most likely your fault :P

2. NO! You know how many times I zoom out for a few seconds on TS3 and zoom back in to see my sims or their house lookin like melted wax or not being able to even seen in their house for almost 20 seconds? Never in my life have I seen choppier graphics in a recent video game, let alone, the sims!

3. I can't speak for everybody but The Sims 2 was enjoyable for me without any of the CC or expansion packs. I didn't have any EP's whatsoever until Bon Voyage came out. Now I have all 8 EP's and lovin every second of them. Though I'd still be fine without any of my CC or EP's. Cheats on the other hand...can't live without em' lol. The sims 3 wasn't enjoyable for me until I practically drowned it in Custom Content

This thread is getting a bit derailed (and I admit I had my part in that). There is a thread here already for discussing your preference of one game over another, so can we keep that side of this discussion there please? The OP posted this thread regarding a petition for a new Sims 2 EP.

As much as we may all love the Sims 2, the likelihood of a new EP or SP for it is pretty much non existent and we may as well accept that. They abandoned Sims 1 when Sims 2 came out and they're doing the same now that Sims 3 is out. As long as we have creators creating for The Sims 2, there will be new things for us to enjoy.

I have a better idea: why not just close this thread for now? I think its run its course. We've all said what needs to be said, really, and I'd rather not see this descend into a brawl.

As it is, I can already start to smell smoke.