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I looked at the official website, that will soon be open to the public by 3/19/08. I looked at it and I was wondering, who's going to get it? I mean, I know at least some are going to get it, but how many exactly. Cause, who knows, everyone might still enjoy The Sims 2 and keep it. Then TS3 gets ruined. Just wondering.

I'm thinking about it, but I'm definitely not ready to let go of TS2 right now, so it'll probably be awhile.

Not at first. When there's some significant modding going on I will reconsider. Problem is, that most gaming companies have made modding more difficult with their newer releases out of fear to lose ground on the US market (modded adult content) and some even send out their lawyers to close down modding sites and efforts.

If that's the case with the Sims 3, it's not for me. But that doesn't mean it won't be a success story, since the majority of buyers will be kiddies pestering their parents into purchasing. So your question is a rather mute one.

i will buy the sims3 thats for sure.

I'm buying it first day of pre-order from EA. May be disappointed, but still going to get it. I'll play both just like I do with so many sequels.

I'll probably get it when there is a significant amount of custom content, etc.

I dont know... I have put too much time and effort into Sims 2 to just abandon it. I am not sure.... I may just not get it immediately. It also depends on what kindof computer ou need etc. altho mine is pretty new (less than a year), you never know how many RAM etc you need for the game to run properly. I'd kind of prefer that they'd make a "upgrade" for the Sims 2, so I could keep my families

I will probably get it a year or so after it is out.

I'm going to buy it asap!

I am going to wait and see for these things to happen:
1. When the game is officially released: this is not supposed to happen until 2009. That is over a year away.
2. What kind of computer specs it requires is made clear by Eaxis. That will only happen when the game is released.
3. When everyone has had a chance to buy it, and then play it-the first real reviews of it will not really come in until at least 1 week or so after it is released. The game magazines and reviewers will be on this fast.
4. When all the bugs are finally discovered by all the hard-core gamers-not the kiddies. The people who do actual testing for game companies will have the best and only real word on what is right or wrong with this game. For my interest to be really sparked, it has to get positive reviews from everyone who knows how a real game plays and how well it plays.

Then I might consider it.

I'm with MaryH

Im with the above two... but i think ill get it eventually out of curiosity, not really 'want' or 'need'.  Wanna play a people simulation game? Get Sims 2. We've been there, seen that, and got all the EPs and t-shirts...
by the look of TS3, its not a gigantic leap away from TS2, like TS2 was from TS1.  So you wont really benefit all that much more from getting it.

Ill be cool with it to wait this one out.
Plus we all know about EA's fondness for false advertising and bait-and-switch tactics ...like they did with all the TS2 stuff.

Best to wait and see what's really in the game, as opposed to what  they say is.

Mine is a want. I enjoyed Sims 1, had a great time playing it. I've loved playing Sims 2 even with all the little glitches, etc. Like I've said before I spend as much in one day at Disneyland for a day of enjoyment, if not more. The Sims have now given me several years of enjoyment. More than disappointments. So I want the Sims 3, and I'm gonna get it. ;)

I'll probably get it 3 or so years after it comes out. Really depends on how fun it looks to me. :\

I'm looking forward to sims 3, cause I've gotten tired with ts2, and I'm ready for a change. So I plan on getting it sometime whenever it comes out.

i am also ready to switch to the sims 3 game as well.

Im a sims freak so ill get it anyway lol.

I'm gonna wait for a good long while till I get it.  But thats just me, granted I'll look on youtube for movies *like i do with sims 2 still now* to see what it's like, but I'll still wait

I'll wait 6 Months to a Year to wean myself from sims 2, then I'll think about it, but It's still not supposed to come out 'til late '08 right (Like October)

I think someone found a link earlier for a pre-order and it actually has a date of March of '09. So we have a year to get used to the idea. The way their dates run it could be released as early as August, so I was thinking they'd go for a marketing ploy of Christmas. With the pre-oder I think we can pretty much go with that date for release, unless something pushes it back.

I think I'm going to stick with TS2 for a while, I have a lot of time and money tied up in that game and I just don't want to throw it to the side like I did with TS1. I still have that collection and I can't even play it, maybe I can give it to somebody or something.

I'll get it once the anti-blur hack and nude skins come out. :)

I was all exited about the sims 3 although I bought the sims 2 and all the packs less than a year ago... But now I'm trying to see everything there is on the site and it's slow and won't load pages that show nothing but things that have already been published in magazines... So I'm thinking... These people can't get a site ready on time... And the'll make it with a game???

I went to the official website and was not impressed. Screen shots and blurbs of what the new game is going to do.
Promises of heaven on earth..and no real information. Just teasing us, and not helping us make up our minds-and you can sign up for the pre-release, of course!
Right. Caveat Emptor, I think!

The site just opened today.....search google for sims 3 pics...the game looks awesome. Definetely gonna buy it...but that's me....

I'm only going to buy it if win2K users are able to play it.  I mean- last time I trusted something designed for XP/Vista users (I got a tip from my dad that XP programs can work on 2K) I got completely screwed over.

Simcity Societies.  Damn you, EA and GetSystemWow64DirectoryW.

I think im going to get it to see how it works. I just can't help myself when it comes to the sims.

I'm interested. It would have been nice to have had some real facts on the TS3 web site though. A release date, some system spec's, that sort of thing.
If it really is a year away I can't get too excited, who knows what will happen by then. But I'm definately interested.

I will pre-order Sims 3 when stores start taking pre-orders for it. I want Sims 3 so badly and cannot wait to get it and play it. The preview on the Sims 3 site looks so cool! I will continue to play Sims and Sims 2 too. I love all Sims games way too much!!!!!!!

hugs,
Michele

I don't think either of those things is going to be an issue. Making it so it only runs on Vista would severely limit their marketing range. They know teenagers parents aren't going to rush out and buy them a new PC, or Vista just to run the game. That's a big chunk of their customers. Plus, Mr. Humble said (not exact word for word)in his interview one of the things they made part of their job with the Sims 3 was to make sure it would run smoothly on even an old granny laptop. More than the aesthetic value of the graphics in game, even though they improved a lot. They concentrated more on making the game more user friendly for various pc's. So hopefully he's being honest and the transition to Sims 3 will be smooth.

^^ I hope that's true. I may wait for mods and reviews before I get it. The info on the official site has already been posted on other sites, I want new information. Not impressed right now, but I love my Sims 2. :D

I will get it, but it's not going to be when it first comes out. My plan is to wait for a year or so and see others reactions to it.

I love The Sims 2 too much, I have all my familes here who Ive grown attatched to...Im not ready to let go yet. Then theres the money and time spent on the sims 2, only to go and throw it away, I never had The Sims1, my sister did, so this has been the only one for me, and Im still learning stuff. It only seems a while ago The Sims 2 first came out and then all the expansions and stuff packs came out with all the CC and mods, and now the next one is about to come out??....I want The Sims 3 but not now thats for sure. =]

Omg I know!! Its horrid!! I was looking at their faces thinking wtf??!! And the houses kind of look like the ones from TS1 from afar!!....But yeh back to their faces, I was disappointed by that!! Our sims now in TS2 look more realistic then the new ones!! :smt119:

I agree that the sims looks horrifying. the sims2 simmies looks so much more natural!

As for getting sims3? I'll see what everyone says about the game first. I'll not run to the store until I know it's worth buying. there's some things worth to try out (the fact that they can walk around in the neighbourhood, more body types...), and as long as they shift out some annoying sims2 stuff (like better aging!!!!, more to do with infants/toddlers, CLOTHES for infants!, better clothing/hairs, and so on) I'll think about getting it. But not until the CC starts coming. (and if I'm lucky in my choice of schools in the autumn, I might even be able to make my own meshes when sims3 comes ;))

I was never going to play TheSims in any incarnation until my husband got hooked on it and started playing.  Then he dragged me kicking and screaming into the dark side.  

I got my set of The Sims2 for Christmas 07 and I'm hard pressed to get off the computer.  All I'm doing is playing, playing, playing!!!  I haven't started creating anything yet.  I want to but Photoshop is just a wee bit out of my price range.

Anyway, to answer the question - I am going to be getting Sims 3.  Actually, my husband will be getting it first since he doesn't play with any CC at all and I do.  I'm gonna hold off until you guys figure it all out, make a ton of CC then get it so I can start playing with all sorts of goodies from the start :)  Probably around the time that Sims3 EP1 rolls around.  That should be enough time right? :D

Hows that for a plan of attack? :)

I'm not getting it-for reasons mentioned above, but for one very important fact:in 2009, Microsoft is abandoning Windows XP, and all new computers will be sold with Vista as the OS, until their new platform is available in 2010. I wonder if Sims 3 will be geared mostly towards that end, because EAxis undoubtedly knows of this, and is planning on it. That means the game itself will have to be Vista compatible, not XP. I cannot believe they can make a game ultimately compatible with 2 vastly different systems and make it work right for 50% of them.
You want to bet on this? I don't, and I'm not bothering to spend money on something that might not even work on an "old" system such as XP.
I detest the fact that Microsoft is so much the actual player in what games will be produced, with whatever platform they decide will be on new computers.

I will not hesitate! :LOL:  I'm getting it the minute it comes out.  The only thing I worry about, is it making Sims 2 look like nothing.  Does this mean the the hard workers who make all that high quality CC for sims 2 will be wasted by the time it comes out?  Dunno.

My daughter has Vista and I personally think it's a piece of crap. I won't get it. They went way overboard trying to compete with Mac. I don't like the way Mac's are set up;period. Talk about dumbing down. That's why I won't buy a Mac. She owns a couple nice Mac's. Plus, a new HP laptop with Vista. I went out for the weekend, to try and help her set the thing up the way "she" wanted it. Worthless. I loathe it. We just brought both my older grand daughters a new PC again, and insisted both be with XP. They can keep Vista. If I wanted a PC with a Mac interface I'd buy a Mac, but I don't because I don't like the way they interact. Which is why I buy PC's. Yes much better data management. Better graphics, waaaaaaaaaaaay better graphics, but let me decide/control what's going on with my computer. How I want the menu to be, what to do with my hard drive. Personally I liked the Dos driven HD's. When we used to make our own batch files to run programs, our own menus. They were never as bloated or grew like the blob, like Windows does. Blah, blah, blah...

Anyway according to EA the Sims 3 is being made to run on granny PC's. So I don't think older PC's/OS's are going to be a problem.

Waitwaitwait- I thought Windows was abandoning XP come 2014, and 2K come 2010.

God- that's going to kill my childhood sooner, if XP is going to die in '09. D:

I'll probably end up getting it. I'd like to say I could resist, but I can't. That doesn't mean I will completely abandon sims 2 though

I won't be buying it,my system most certainly will not run it(even if they are designing it for "granny pcs"I won't be able to run it,their idea of a granny pc is an Alienware with dual core processors which I don't have and cannot afford)plus I refuse to buy a computer with Vista(it sucks in my opinion) on it,so unless I have someone build me one with XP on it,I won't be buying anything new in order to play the Sims 3.
That being said,I am still pretty invested in the Sims 2...I had to reinstall some time ago and lost everything,so I am trying to get everything back to the way it was and this is going to take some time.
Where did you hear that Sims 3 would run on a "granny pc"?I haven't heard that one yet.

Maniac posted an artical about petitions etc for XP. It basically said that even though they weren't going to continue selling it, they now are. Support for it will be another issue. The new windows version comes out in 2010. Then everyone with Vista will be screaming because nothing will work with it. lol Remember the switch from 95 to 98? I wanted to wring everyone at Microsofts neck because none of my games or anything worked with it. If they try to force me into Vista. I'm going to go with Linux. I for one am tired of Microsoft being the last word.

yea... most likely lol ...i bought Sims 2 before i finished getting all the eps for Sims 1

If you guys make a site with downloads for Sims 3, I'm buying it right now!!!!!

I am sure I will get this. I am sure I will curse just as loudly when I realize the sims3 isn't up to par expansion wise as the sims2. Yet the graphics will be better and there will be new cool animations I would assume.

Lisa

I tried to pre-order it when it was still a rumor. Ya, I'm going to get it.

I was late to the party with both Sims 1 and Sims 2... so I was hoping to start playing Sims 3 as soon as it's released, but from the look of it I don't think I will. I don't really want to buy a whole new laptop just to play the game - and honestly, I'm still having so much fun with Sims 2 I'm in no rush to leave them! :D

Not meand more than likely never.  It feels to much like what EA did to the Battlefield franchise, ie dumb it down, screw it up, ship it out.  In that order,  I am already vested into TS2 so I'll see it to the end and consider TS3 just one more for the waste basket of gaming history.

I will get one, but I don't know what's the system requirement... probably I need a new computer first...

idk yet but, most likely yes. Depend show much it is and etc,

i got this pic from the website
(http://i27.tinypic.com/azbaeh.jpg)

Are they putting Securom into it?  I'm scared to put it on my computer.  It's a new computer.  I don't want Securom messing it up.

I'll wait and see how it tests out with the users who buy it first.  Let them work out the kinks.  I'm not a pioneer.
If they don't allow custom content or hacks then forget it.  I need custom content and hacks.  That's what makes the game really fun! :)

Won't buy anything from EA with Securom.  Bon Voyage crashed my computer and allowed over 900 viruses into my computer.  Just bought a new computer and won't take a chance with Securom.  EA removes Securom and I'll start buying their games again.

Having read the Mass Effects forum, which has the same version of securom that EA says will be on Sims 3, I will not be buying Sims 3 unless they change their policy--as in, no securom.  I want to be able to install it on my computer as many times as I want and to be able to back it up onto cds--to protect me from the inevitable computer crash.

I really think the Sims 3 has nice graphics and with the availability of so many new facets of personality I am sure I will end up buying it a few months after it is released. I am in no hurry to get rid of TS2, however, especially having bought all expansion packs; when I do part with it, I'm sure I will simply give my collection to my boyfriend so it goes to good use. Time to get him hooked!

i know that i will buy the sims3 when its relase because for me it passes my time.

I'm sure I'll get it eventually, but it will be a while. There's still too much for me to try in TS2 and honestly the biggest "changes" or differences between 2 and 3 don't seem very significant to me (my own personal opinion). I think it's too soon for TS3. They should come out with more EP's for TS2 first. It would be nice if the next generation Sims would just be a direct upgrade to TS2, instead of having to start all over again.

:rabbit::happy8::rabbit:

I am absolutely sure that I will get it. No matter how skeptical i am, it will never overrule my love for the sims. Besides, if it sucks, I can always just play TS2 instead.

I've spent too much on Sims 2 to even think about it.

I think I'll end up buying it, just out of pure curiosity. I'm too hooked on TS2 to just give it up cold turkey. But when I do buy it, I'm more than likely gonna install it on another computer, in case of any "incompatibility," bugs, or whatever. My laptop's already close to dying, and I don't need that to push it over the edge. Aside from that, I crave more expansion packs for TS2! With all that said, hopefully Maxis/EA won't disappoint us.

hahaha! they will disappoint you and me, they'll probobly release an unfinished prouduct, with less options then ever, like they always do.

If the game will get great reviews (about 8 or more) I'll buy it, not to mention the SecuROM, if the game will have it (which will though, stupid EA only cares about they're money, thats why I always kill Rod Humble when he comes to my lot), I wont buy it.

I'm not only buying Sims 3 on day one, I have two copies preordered. One for me and one for a friend. I'm also trading my Vista infested laptop for my father's unwanted new desktop, so I should be able to play both 2 and 3.

I won't buy it unless they finish it before releasing it. They've screwed up every expansion pack and they managed to screw up Spore... I'm not going to waste money on a game I can't play.

Under several conditions:

1) There has to be a no DVD patch, since securom doesn't enter my rig under any circumstances.
2) If it is proven to be moddable. All too many game companies have it in for modders nowadays. If Sims 3 is one of these infamous products, I won't get it, since vanilla versions of these kinds of games aren't my cup of tea.

I'm buying, no doubt.

Hi everyone!

I will eventually get it, though not immediately. Honestly I think I'll wait for mods and costum content to be made before  buying it. And there's always the matter of what computer specs will be required to play the game properly. I'm perfectly happy with my Sims 2 in the meanwhile!  :)

Well,I have Pre-ordered(2) one for myself and one for a family Member,the one thing that is scaring the .... out of me is what the clothing will look like and will there be any cars that the sims can drive,also will the families be able to have babies and how long will the females be carring it before giving birth and will the toilets be stopping up and will you be able add Neighborhoods to it that is what scare the .... out of me,but the biggest scare is trying it and likking it

I don't know.  I really want to, but it depends on EA and you.  Will EA abandon SecuRom and make Sims3 open source?  What will you say about it once released?  Going from Sims1 to Sims2 was wonderful.  Even with all the bugs and fixes, it was worth it.  If it looks like going from Sims2 to Sims3 is going to be wonderful without screwing up my computer, I'm getting it.  Stay out of my way, I'm getting it.

I will be getting it for sure..im kind of bored with sims 2 anyway!

I will probably get it a year after it's out or something. I'm still enjoying TS2 at the moment so I'm going to continue playing that for a while & I'll only get TS3 if others seem to be enjoying it more than TS2.

I'm still waiting for some of the big questions to be answered before making a final decision: what kind of custom content will we be able to create? Can we still use tools such as Wings 3D or blender to create object meshes? Will we still be able to package lots to a file and upload the lot-file to a website of our choosing or will all user created content be funneled to the Sims 3 Exchange?

I am.I've already preorded it at my local gamestop.I can hardly wait.I sure hope it doesn't get delayed at the last minute.

I'm getting it. It's supposed to come out 20th of february here in Norway....(I migt be wrong) that's the latest news at least.

As I waited for TS2 and TS1 - I only get sims games AFTER two (minimum) expansion packs. Once those are made, the fanbase is stable with articles on modding and faqs THEN I geek out ;)

I am going to get it ASAP!  I cant wait its literally about a month away from release.

I want it, but i'm scared I will play it more than actually attend class.  :-\ I already struggle with balancing TS2 and homework!

i know i won't be getting it i am way to terrified of securom destroying my computer thanks to EA Games. so i'm staying with ts2. :'(

I really don't know: I spent a lot of money in EPs and SPs and the fact that I have to restart buying everything again terrifies me. I assume I'll just wait for a while, as The Sims 2 still amuses me a lot, and when a few Eps will be published, I'll probably give it a go. ;D

I don't really know...

first of all, I sort of like the sims2 style better. Not all of it - but some. I might change my opinion when the game comes out, or if they come up with some entirely new EP's for it - but we'll see...
graphics looks somewhat better in 3 - but with CC from 2, it's not a great deal... besides - I like the play style of 2. Seamless neighborhoods might be fun - but I do like to have control over the simmies ages and such, since I'm mostly doing storytelling with my own stories, and sims as "actors".

second - even though it seems like I don't have securom problems (though I'm not really sure), I don't know whether or not that will change when I finally get a new computer. And as most of us know - sims3 will most likely have that #/%&#%¤ thing on it...

third - my wallet says no... (I might choose not to listen to it, though...)

I am firmly against ever buying it. I've already removed the SecuRom from my computer, and my drive finally works again, and I'm quite partial to my expensive computer working now. Thanks No CD patches, which I shouldn't have to use anyway since I legally purchased the game ...  :rolleyes:

Plus, everything I've read about Sims 3, it sounds just the same as Sims 2, so I'll just keep playing those ones after spending years buying every expansion and stuff pack, and having 11,000+ custom things for it.

Yes, it will be a little disappointing to have been playing since Sims 1 first came out, with every expansion for 1, then Sims 2, and every expansion for that, and not having Sims 3 ... but hey, EA screwed that one up all by themselves.

I can hardly wait I upgraded and bought a new computer for it. ;D Im really excited but ill probally play the sims 2 a bit longer until some decent expansions come out of which im hoping will inlcude farms and horses.

i totally agree with you naria. ;D

Myself, i got a new computer, but i might wait and see if a version without Securom comes out for OSX. if the Mac version doesn't have Securom, then i will support the Mac Version, even if i have to wait 6 months for expansion packs.

Im trying to stay away from the sims 3 buzz, its making the wait seem really long. :p

Not for me, I'm afraid.  I can barely run Sims 2 with all the CC I've got; I'm pretty sure my computer won't run Sims 3 and I'm not at liberty to upgrade the thing just yet.  Besides, I think there's still life left in Sims 2.

I'll wait and see the reviews and general early comments from people here who got it before I make my final decision.

Well my computer is just a few months old so I would probably be able to run TS3 but I don't think I'll be running out to get it right away. I've spent too much money on TS2 to just give it up. Its not like buying a $50 game and then a couple of years later spending another $50 on the next version.
The Sims2 and all its expansions & stuff packs  is no little investment. Its been a while but I'm thinking that the base game was 40 or 50. The expansions have all been about 30 and the Stuff packs 20. That is upwards of $500 for the whole shebang and that's not even adding in any CC subscription sites that a player may or may not have purchased.

Wow.. now I wish I hadn't thought that through. I can't believe I've spent that much on a computer game. 1:D

 As someone else noted, there really doesn't seem to be the same amount of upgrade that we got when we moved from TS1 to TS2. I'm just not sure it would be worth it.

I do like the way you can change the color/fabric of the furniture & stuff though. I wish they would add something like to that TS2. I could easily be suckered into buying another TS2 expansion pack that added something like that.

I wouldnt be so mad about the delayed release date if they would bring out nother expansion for sims 2. or at least another "stories" one, im wondering what happened to that? im suprised that hasnt been milked for all its worth.lol.

I preordered it.Can't wayt!

Going to wait and see. I haven't played TS2 enough.
Anyway going on screen shots means nothing. There were wonderful screenshots for TS2 and the screenshots were nowhere near what the true content were.
Not too keen on the appearance of the sims in TS3 and from what I've read on possible custom content means its a definate case of 'wait and see'.

I'm still thinking - for a couple of reasons. The main reasons being - I don't want all the bugs that comes with a new game, and I need to increase my RAM. My pc runs on 1Gig (which is the system requirement for Sims 3), but I want to get another gig, so until I do that, it is a no-no. I do have plenty space on my two hard drives, lol, so that is not an issue.

For now, I am perfectly happy with my Sims2 collection. Don't have much time for playing right now either, so I guess I will wait and see feedback from those who are getting it right away. The open neighbourhood does fascinate me, as does a few other "selling points" but the proof is always in the pudding!

I've got it on preorder, but I doubt I'll give up on Sims 2 any time soon.

i highly doubt it, there are some very serious issues comming to light in regard to sims3, check out the forums  at sins2 comunity, showdown and reclaim your game  for starters and if that dose'nt send a shiver up your spines check out "securom and sims3" and see what they are throwing around at the moment. those of you who pre-ordered the game would do well to contact ea games and get them to put in writing just exactly what drm or rootkit aplications will be included in the game.

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i do'nt recall anyone's computer crashing, but it does disable optical drives and usb drives thereby rendering the pc. useless

LOL. I hear ya!

I'm going to wait. But when I do get the game, I'm going to save all of my lots, sims, and downloads for The Sims 2, in case I want to go back!

I'm definitely getting it. My computer can manage it, even if they do end up keeping SecuROM in it (One of the Creator Camp vids showed Ben Bell using a comp that I didn't buy because I didn't think it'd be able to run TS3!). Bugs? Disappointing and frustrating, yes, but only as much so as their namesakes, and knowing EA, a patch will be out before I notice most of them.

Plus, there's stuff in it that I was wishing for when I was playing TS1 eight years ago. Yes, sure, fine, people don't like the way the Sims look now. But frankly, I thought the Sims in TS2 were hideous when I started it. And out of all the things that have gone into this game - Traits, Moodlets, awesome-looking com lots, seamless 'hood, increased individuality - I don't see that mattering too much after a while. I want to be one of the first to try and figure out how to crack open the CC. I'll miss my Sims from 2, but I promise I'll visit them every once in a while.

Plus, all the people in here saying they'll wait and see need something to go on, don't they? ;)

I was considering not getting it last year, but that's when I thought that I'd have something better to do with my life by now.  No such luck :(.  Oh well, it's still a cool game.  Kind of curious to see how evil and cowardly I can make my poor sims ;D.

Maybe. I'm in no hurry though. I'll wait so I can see the reviews and read comments from the actual players. My overall interest towards the sims has also decreased so I'm not sure if I bother to start all over again with a new Sims game. We'll see. 

Hi fellow simmers! I agree with MaryH and all of the rest who are just waiting to see what the glitches, kinks and bugs are in the game.  I have been simming since I had a chance to play the sims 1 on xbox (I know it was a long time ago.) Anyway, I have seen the sims3 website and was blown away by the graphics, the contiuous neighborhood, the sims being able to go to the hospital to give birth, along with other tidbits.  One of the things that angers  :mad: me about Maxis is that, too me anyway, that it seems that when they came out with the sims 2 for xbox according to gamers that played it the game was a total floop.  I think Maxis was not only trying to beat a deadline but, understandably, make money.  Hence the fact I SO want to get the sims 3 but I am a little hesitate since they fowled up the sims 2 for xbox and money is so tight these days.  If everyone would let me, as well as other simmers,  if this game is even worth the time and money please let us know.  If anyone knows if there is going to be a mod sims3 site or any site that will mod for the sims 3 let us know that too.  Many, many thanks.  P.S. by the way everyone here rocks!!!!  1rock

unfortunatly maxis got eaten by ea games a long time ago, nowdays it's ea games/sony. hence the bone of contention, once that little partnership came about there has been nothing but trouble with their software, their games are good, i love the sims, but it's the sneaky little inclusions that have put me of, just read the bogs on spore for starters, if i ever get the sims3, which i highly doubt, it will be after a considerable time, once all the bugs have been fixed, custom content is available, and after the outcome of the many class action cases against ea games have been resolved and they are open and honest about the drm, inclusions, untill then i don't touch anything by ea games/sony. my pc cost me far to much.

I love the sims, I'm still getting the sims 3.

so do i. enjoyed sims1, love sims2, but i'm not about to damage a 3000 dollar pc with their malware unless i know 100 percent what's included with their programs, any hint of securom or anything else that will disable or interfere with any of my aplicatione or hardware and no more sims, simple as that.as it is now i don't buy anything from ea games or sony, not unless they print in bold letters on the case what rootkit aplications and drm is included and how it will affect my pc.
it's a bit like buying a can of beans, one as a consumer has a right to know all that is included in that can and here in australia it is the law, full content disclosure, so as a consumer one should have the right to know all that is included in software.

man, I can't wait till june, that is my Bday month 1rock, look out sims 3, here comes Geezysims

You all rock!  1rock I have no idea what a socrum (spelling) is?  I too am in the process of getting my comp repaired because the friggin' power source keeps going out.  I was at Best Buy today and saw that they had the cases for the Sims3 out but it said "for reserve only....game not included" to which it also instructed the would-be buyer on how to put this game on hold when it does arrive at the store.  I talk to a gentleman at GameStop and he told me that it would indeed be out by June 2009.  I really want this game but I think I will be patient and wait a good 3 months or so for custom content, modding and yes, CHEATS (let's face it I do some PRETTY mean things to my sims and I couldn't survive without the cheats and modded stuff) :p!  Sorry all I am computer illiterate when it comes to modding and would so love to learn (personally I like to draw with pen/pencil and paper but am considering graphics as my major).  Anyways, if you all hear of any tidbits that would be of interest to myself and anyone else here in this wonderful forum let us know.  As always, many, many thanks.  :D

securom is a rootkit aplication that installs itself without your knowlege, just like a virus, as long as you don't have nero burning, nortons antivirus, dvd shrink or try to coppy the disc either to a ac/dvd, or usb device you won't have any issues, however if it decides that you are trying to coppy their software it will disable your optical drive and in a lot of cases your usb ports thereby rendering your pc. useless, it's then a case of removing your hard drive , throwing it in the bin and starting all over. lovely isn't it?
incidently, microsoft is now involved in the securom scandal, they are asking the question, "what right do they have disabling usb drives, it's a legit. windows aplication" the lame reply at the moment is "that it can be used to transfer our data to an external storage device" i can see a huge s__t fight between microsoft and ea gamses/sony on the horizon, for those who don't know securom is a sony inovation it was tryed years ago with their audio discs and resulted in a massive court case which they lost. they don't give up do they?

thanks for the heads up about securom.  I will proably wait and see what the feedback will be after other gamers have played the sims 3 before I buy it cry2  have to buy a gaming comp so I can at least play my sims 2 game (my old ones power source keeps shorting out  1explode hence a lot better to get a new comp then putting more $ into this one). Oh well.  Many, many thanks all. I will keep checking back to see if there is any new about the sims 3.  Rock on!!!!  1rock  2rock

unfortunatly there worse things out there than securom, as we speak TSR. is doing whatever it can to be the sole distributer of custom content for sims3. securom i can live with, but it will be a cold day in hell before i lower myself and subscribe to a site such as TSR.

What is even worse than Securom (though that is a pretty awful thing), is the near unanimous thinking that the Sims 3 will be nearly unmoddable by most modders or creators.
Most of the professional modders are in agreement that if they were to be able to mod the game, EA should release some tools to do so with-however, EA has given out signals that they have no intention of doing this, and the game goes out without any creative tools whatsoever.
Thus SimPE, the Insimenator, and other very well-known modding tools will not be useable nor available for this game. BodyShop might be a possibility, but don't hold your breath. EA wants total complete control of the creation aspect of this game, and they're willing to partner with TSR to do it with.
Kind of like holding the pixels hostage for money.
In short, EA  has learned the lesson that they badly underestimated the money end of the creation process, and they're going to profit from it now-in spades. TSR and the Sims Store are going to be the only places that you can download content, for a price, of course..and with some very dubious quality.

I'm willing to bet my bottom dollar that every single word I've just written will be borne out in the next few months, and with the release. I expect howls of rage and great frustration when players realize they've been sold a bill of goods.

with the ever worsening global economy ea games should consider just how much more people are willing to spend after purchasing the game, this will have a significant impact on future sales, ie. expansion packs, if mods that will make the game playable according to individual tastes require an endless outlay of cash, then quite frankly the game will die out.
if ea games enters into an arangement with thomas o isacsson and tsr then they will have misread the mood of a large number of the sims comunity, and more than likely find a sims3 repetition of the spore debacle with a large number of players opting for a torrent download of the game rather then have to deal with the likes of tsr.and their adult content policy.
the ball is now very much in ea games court and they have a chance to choose in which which direction the modding goes.
i have never nor will i ever subscribe to a pay site, and if ea games chooses to treat custom content in the same vain as add on packs via tsr 'yuck' then i will more than likely join the millions of others who have been driven into the shadowy world of pirated software brought on largely by game developers stupidity.
ah. and if the above sounds like i am anti tsr, your'e dead right, i have disliked that den of thieves ever since their campaign to shut down mod the sims2 via paypall.remember that one?

Well hopefully the sims 2 and its very talented creators wont die out. I expect the sims 3 will, I for one will defianlty shelve the game afte the intiial novelty if there is no CC allowed.

that will suck if they don't allow cc and as much as i am against pay sites and all TSR is the only site i am subscribed to cause some of my favorite creators make beautiful stuff enough for me to subscribe to but i will always remain true to free sites i download from the free section there as well and at any rate i don't just download from anyone on there i download from my favorite cc creators only.;D


everything i have downloaded thus far looks absolutely gorgeous in my game so i'm satisfied. ;D


however i hate it when they put files in the free section but the meshes you need for the files to show up in your game are for subscribers only in my opinion those meshes should be made for free for everyone to download cause not alot of people can get a subscription and i feel bad for those who can't get the meshes for a certain file. other then that i have no problem with TSR.

supporting that site will ultimately change how we play the game, of all the paysites this one is by far the worst (just read the various blogs) and has more potential to damage the game than any amount of securom or drm. that gaming companies throw at us.
one has to admire your conviction Feisty32 in maintaining your loyalty to your favorite creators, but you should keep in mind the great majority of the money that you spend there goes to the site and not the creators. without entering into a huge s__t fight about them, they have over the years used some of the lowest tactics imaginable inorder to shut other sites or get them to join tsr.
by downloading from various booty sites you are doing far more harm to the site rather than the individual artist.
the more revenue they loose the les they have to bribe,influence or buy out so called competition. (yes those are some of the tactics they use)

i do agree with you roerzman and well said and thanks for the info. ;D 2hug


i never knew all of what you mentioned just a few bits and pieces here and there. :D


i have a 12 month subscription there and when it comes time to renew it i probably won't renew it after it's up. i really love to download victorian style furniture that is of good quality and i like to build fancy looking houses as well  it's really hard to find good quality furniture and build mode items. ;D :D


but i will keep what you said in mind roerzman and thank you so much


 

Razorzman, simpleprincess & others, I had to reply to you responses and I am becoming more and more convinced that I may not buy the sims 3 game.  I heard via game informer (the magazine) that ea games was in trouble for not paying overtime pay to thier creators but after reading Razorzman's thoughts on the TSR I don't know if I want to continue to give EA, EASony (aka Buttheads, Inc.  >:D...trying to be nice since there maybe kids in this forum...lol) my money. But like I said before I will wait a good couple of months...who knows maybe a year....before I give EA/Sony aka Buttheads, Inc. my money.  I welcome your thoughts.  Many, many thanks.  1rock

Sannysims40 i think your making a very wise and smart decision and i love that decision. ;D 2hug

Fiesty32 go to the booty site, it's all there and it's all free as it should be, no you are not breaking any law unlike the owners of that site.(tsr)
and yes to adopt a wait and see attitude would in my opinion be the only way to go.
to pre order the game and then find that in order to get custom content one has to aproach things such as tsr would be horific. and would ultimatly result in the end sites such as this, mod the sims, and half a hundred others that provided some of the most tallented modders and creators out there. to see future custom content and it's development handed on a plate to tsr. would be a tragedy for the game and for me the end of the sims.

Feisty32, the booty has a forum.  You don't have to be a member to read about how TSR shares personal info, their influence in getting free sites closed, etc.  Just recently they had a hand in getting Reflex Forums closed.  Luckily the site is back now and called the Black Pearl.  Somewhere in the forum is a link to coconuts blog.  Very eye opening.  All of the info on the blog is backed by screenshots.

Better yet, so you don't have to search too hard in the thread, read for yourself what coconut has to say (http://tsr.mustbedestroyed.org/).  Though you may want to consider grabbing a few snacks and having a good read over at the phorum also.  ;)

...Wow. Now that's a manure pile thar.

I guess it would make some people happy if I were to say I've never even visited TSR, and now I know it's run by stuck-up asshats with a world-domination bent. I'm seeing symptoms of psychopathy in Tom. Seriously.

the only way to remove this cancer (tsr) from the sims scene is via ea games, and the only way that we can galvanise them into action is to make it clear in no uncertain terms that as long as there is an agreement,understanding, afiliation or anything between ea games and tsr then amongst a very large number of the sims comunity, 'the game aint gonna sell.'
it is also important that ea games begins to understand that in order to win back the trust of it's many customers that it's time to take legal action against tsr for gross violation of the present eula, running with the foxes and hunting with the hounds on this issue has been going on far to long and has led to the growth of a monster that will ultimatly lead to the end of the sims.
regardless of what the bean counters are telling ea headquarters, a very large number of the sims comunity will never pay for cutom content, and also a very large number of the sims comunity think that tsr is badly on the nose and will have no dealings with it whatever, no mater how much ea games and thomas try to dress it up for the comming release of the sims3.
the sooner that ea games begins to understand that and acts on it, the sooner we can all get back to normal and play and mod the sims again, and make ea games another squillion dollars.

Thanks Tenshii~Akari.  Should never post on other forums after being on the BBS.  Takes a totally different mindset to survive on the BBS and not get warned or banned.  You have to tread so carefully there, so I tend to err on the side of caution when sending people to sites that others might find objectionable.  That thread is long, guess I forget since I'm up to date on it. 1rock

thanks guys i really do appreciate the advice it's really nice to know that my fellow simmers has each others back and kindly warning their fellow simmers. ;D



i won't renew my subscription when it's time to and right now i'm backing up my sims 2 files and such and i've been meaning to back those up for a couple of weeks. and i have read what coconut had to say and i'm a little bit skeptical about it but that is just my opinion anyways. ;D


and when the money left my hand it became his so there really is'nt much i can do . i'll wait and use my 12 month subscription until it's time to renew and then i might consider going to the booty and download some from there cause i'm not gonna get upset about tsr doing things that is'nt right my high blood pressure can't take it. :(

I'm definitely not getting the sims 3.
It'll be raining jelly beans in Hades the day I let securom anywhere near my Computers.

Robin i'm in total agreement with ya.




you could'nt hand me ts3  if it was for free.

And who knows what they where thinking when they sat down and said:
'Oh here's an idea, lets make a new sims game, but lets do it without Will Wright or even Maxis and better yet lets take custom content, the thing that makes this franchise so popular with so many people, and bash it to the dark side of the moon with a semi-detached gre.....'

I do apologize for that outburst ladies and gentlemen, it won't happen again.  :-X

you don't have to apologize robin i know exactly how you feel. ;D

I just can't wait till Yahtzee gets set loose on the game to do his review,
should be good  ;)

Yeah, I was wondering where that lot got to. I wonder if they even care any more. I miss the ornery mop-top.

If I might be so bold to speak on this subject, I'll give you the perspective from two angles, a business angle, and a gamer's angle:

Business: For EA Games to even entertain the idea to have one universal medium for downloadable content for TS3 is not only fiscal suicide, but a quick way to make devoted users lose all trust they've built in well over 9 years since the 1st game. The sole reason why TS2 became a hit and is STILL a hit 5 years after the base game was released is because of one word, variety. There are thousands of message boards and sites (be they paysites or free) that offer user created content for the game. This brings a healthy median of users into the fold. When you find something cool on one site, it makes you seek out others. When you find something even cooler, but see you need a SP or EP to gain access to it, what do most people do? Go get the damn EP. I had the base game, Uni and NL for a good long time, but because I saw I wanted to be able to do more, I went and got the other EPs over time. Why? Because there was easily accessible and FREE content available for them. Now you take all of that and put it on one site where users have to subscribe to access the content, it creates a number of issues. Number 1, an issue of availability. Do you have any idea how large a site like that would have to be? Especially if it's the ONLY place you can access CC? Anyone who runs a site knows it costs money, hell...it costs money to run this site, and this is a "free" forum. EA might have deep pockets, but they ain't THAT deep. Number 2, convincing people it's worth it to subscribe. The very fact that you'd have to subscribe to access content would put 9 out of 10 people off from buying the game forth right. Number 3, Pirating. You know damn well that such a site is going to get pirated...HEAVILY. People will subscribe, horde much CC as they can, and make it accessible via PTP sharing or Torrents. And EA will never be able to keep up with the sheer volume, thus...they lose money. Like I said earlier, a fiscal nightmare.

Gamer: One of the main reason I play TS2 is the ability to create. To customize things to my liking, be they via Bodyshop, SimPE or the various hacks and mods available. The CC/Modding community of TS2 is pretty much the life blood of this whole thing. We all come together here because we enjoy the game AND sharing our creations. If EA limits what we can do, what we can share, and what we can create, what's the point even making the game? I use this analogy for all of my fellow car people, but that's like giving someone a spanking new 2009 Lancer EVO and saying you can only paint it white. Once you pay for the car, it's YOUR car. As long as you're not painting something stupid like a Swastika or a naked woman on it, you should be allowed to do to it whatever you want as long as it doesn't infringe on copyrights. Same goes for TS3. You by the game, you should be able to do with it what you want. They can (and should) provide a minimal creation tool such as Bodyshop with the game. Chances are some tech savy user will end up cracking the games code and making a Mod program for it anyway. But as far as creating and CC goes, there is NO WAY anyone should profit from it. If you wanna be a douche and put your stuff on a paysite, if you made it...go right ahead. And if it's EA own content, they can feel free to charge for it as well. But a vast majority of us share content free of charge. If that's what the people want, that's what they should get. Because we're the ones buy the game. Will the issue of CC distribution hurt the sales on the game? Hell yea. Because CC IS the game. It's the driving force behind the entire series. Take that away from users, or at the very least make them have to pay to access it, and you're killing your own progress.

Wow, a long post there kaoz666, possibly constitutes a rant... but a dam good rant!
I totally agree with you.
Maybe I will get the game after all, once that tech savy user cracks the game code and makes that Mod program, and who knows, maybe someone can get rid of securom too. *fingers crossed*


They where off making Spore Hanomaru, and I'm afraid whether or not they care anymore is irrelevant, since EA Games owns the Sims and can *unsuitable dialog* it with a *technical difficulties* till it *censored content* as much as they like.  :-[

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regardless of what the bean counters are telling ea headquarters, a very large number of the sims comunity will never pay for cutom content, and also a very large number of the sims comunity think that tsr is badly on the nose and will have no dealings with it whatever, no mater how much ea games and thomas try to dress it up for the comming release of the sims3.
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I have learned of the controversies on TSR only accidentally, but like any good can of worms I learned that opening it brought forth more and more of the ugly little things. I followed a couple of links and read coconut's blog, which is very eye-opening! Like so many others I bought a 12-month-subscription at TSR, but already decided not to renew it.

That said I do think, even if it's a hobby, good creative work deserves a fair price and I have found a number of sites where very creative people make gorgeous stuff. If they ask money for some of their stuff, very little money at that, that's fine with me - a fair exchange.

To answer the original question - I'm one of those who will wait and see how the game comes on. I'm not in a hurry to buy it at all. I'm sure I'll give it at least a year as I'm still busy enough with the Sims 2

i am definantly positivly sure that i am going to buy it the first day it comes out because the sims 2 is nice and all and i will mos likely still play it but who in their right mind wants to be restricted to their houses i mean the sims 3 has better social chances and ppl are each diffrent from each other its just more real and the more real the better it is. its also better for the sims directors to make movies and so on and so forth anything that was missing in the sims 2 its in the sims 3 so why not go and buy it?

I doubt I will personally invest money into the Sims 3 because it seems as though I would predominantly be paying only for better graphics and a seamless neighborhood. And with Pescado raving about the restrict custom content we can create regarding hacks like the insimenator, I think I'm just better off saving the 50 or so dollars. If it weren't for custom content, I would have uninstalled the Sims 2 and never bought those expansion packs by now.

Of course, I may change my mind later if reviews are fair. I often agree with Gamespot's analysis, if they submit a good review for Sims 3 I may purchase it.

But its little things that would make this game much better than the seemingly failed attempt it is--like gas stations, police stations, tall buildings (rather than myself making them all the time), oil rigs, etc....

I am only hoping that another developer creates a franchise similar to the Sims, only better and more in-depth, and blows EA and Maxis off the map. They would deserve it for trying to sell us such uninspired junk.

Simple answer----Securom, clay looking Sims, and the very likely hood free custom content will be limited or not even available.

Roxy pretty much hit it on the nail. For the "Casual" Sims player, those things might not be enough to deter you from buying TS3. But about 70% of the members here on InSIM alone are NOT casual players. I'm not a "Die Hard" Sims player, but I do put in at the least 14-18 hours a week playing the game. And like most people creating custom content is a big part of it. Who wants sims all dressed in similar clothes, living in similar lots with similar furnishings? No one, that's who. And being able to create my own or download content from other users is part of the process of it as well. But the key is THERE'S NO MIDDLE MAN. If it's from a paysite, ok. You make a lil' donation to the site and get what you're looking for. If it's from a free site, even better. You DL it, thank the creator for sharing and keep it movin'. But once you start talking about content not only being available on one site, but having to pay a fee just to access it, that's wrong on all possible levels. I'll use XBox Live for example. Downloadable Content is available for tons of games. Recently Capcom released a DLC pack for Street Fighter 4 that has new attires for the female characters, of which you have to pay a small fee to download. That's TOTALLY acceptable. The content is coming from the publisher themselves, so they have full right to do so. About 75% of the major CC for Sims games DOESN'T come from the publisher, EA. It comes from individual creators. EA might release a few items here and there, as well as obvious stuff packs and so on, but nothing on the lines of what the CC creators churn out.

So you take that into account when and/or if it's confirmed that TSR & The Exchange ends up being the only place for TS3 content. You'd end up having to subscribe to access said content. Where's the money go, hmmm? Damn sure doesn't go to the creator in full, does it? Nope. TSR would take a percentage, and EA would take a percentage. Anyone else seeing something wrong with this? If I'm going to actually fork over cash for a DL, I want my cash to go to the person who put in the time and effort to MAKE the content. All EA did was make the game. The content is and should be the SOLE property of the creator. It's like the Creative Commons licensing agreement in music. There are various computer programs that can and are used to make music, such as Frooty Loops & Reason (Which I use both). Just because the music is MADE using the programs, it doesn't make said material property of companies that published/distributed the software. It's YOUR creative property, not theirs. Same thing should go for CC and TS3. The problem is no one for some reason is taking EA to task on the issue because it's a video game that costs 50 bucks as opposed to an advanced piece of software that costs 400. But it all falls into the same category. It's like someone who makes Airbrushed T-Shirts. You go out, you buy a bunch of solid color T-shirts, bring them back to your studio, do you work on them, and sell them yourself. Should the company that manufactured the shirts get any residuals for it? Hell no!!! They got their money already. Once a product is in your possession, as long as you're infringing in the manufacturer/distributor/publishers copyrights, you should be able to do whatever the hell you want with it.

Another rant, I know. But EA is good for monopolizing an intellectual property. Look at what the did to the NFL with that Madden series of games? It's why Major League Baseball opted out of dealing with EA Sports, because they didn't want their IP to be limited to only one distributor. EA needs to be taken to task on this. The problem is no one really has the stroke to do so and make any headway in their effort.

well i will tell you why i won't buy it. ;D
1.securom
2.the ugly graphics and ugly playdoh looking sims
3.the game sounds to realistic and i won't play a game that is so realistic such as ts3 too boring
4.EA doe'snt give a damn about their loyal customers/fans
5.none of what i have read thus far will ever get me to buy ts3

and even though i'm a subscriber over there as for the tsr no matter how hard they try to get peeps to download from their site only they will fail miserably with me and i have always been and will always be loyal to free sites such as insimenator and modthesims2 and others. ;D

and even though they might be doing illegal things i'm not gonna say anything about it cause eventually what there doing will come and bite them right back in the butt so i'm not gonna do or say anything about the controversies i'm just not gonna worry about it.  ;D

the thing that puts me off the most is the weird freaky looking sims. I must admit, in a moment of weakness I did pre-order it, but that was before they put the date back and before a lot of the recent info became known. Now, I'm not so sure.

Personally, I've never had any problems with Securom but that doesn't mean I take chances - I don't use the disc to play and I bypass the launcher. If that is not something that is available for Sims 3 then I don't think I'll be bothering to get it

i'm to scared to buy ts3 it's that securom i'm scared to death of lol. ;D

SecuRom is indeed something to be scared of-it's damned difficult to remove without instructions, and there's always the chance of it coming back to infect your computer if you're not careful.
As for those who think it's not dangerous, what would it cost you to replace your hard drive if it went up in smoke from SecuRom (as has been the case)?
When you look at new systems, that is terrifying to find out.
Better to avoid the entire problem, but aside from that, the new game just doesn't have what it takes to get me interested. Not an improvement on Sims 2, and probably a downgrade.
Sims Societies replayed in Sims format.
Simple as that.

In a nutshell, while the game is adding a lot of new bells and whistles, it also seems to be taking away from the core aspects of it that make it "The Sims". This isn't the 1st time EA has totally F'd up a franchise. The Need For Speed Series of racing games had been for YEARS one of the best in the genre. But then EA releases NFS Underground, NFS Underground 2, NFS Most Wanted, NFS Carbon, NFS Pro Street and finally NFS Undercover. The only one of that series of releases that even remotely had success was Most Wanted, because it took things back to the old days of the series, where you raced fast cars and avoided the cops by any means necessary. The other games were just EA releasing garbage to try and hook the "casual" gamer just to make a buck and capitalize on the popularity of all of the recent racing films. Same can be said about TS3. There's nothing that they've announced that personally captures my interest as far as the new stuff, and no mention of any of the old features we've all come to know and love. About the only feature that's caught my attention is the traits feature, but is that alone enough to convince me to make a purchase when the rest of the game looks to be a total let down? Not a chance. The sad part is, their still gonna market the crap out of it the next few months and hook all of the newbie (damn that Newbie Family) users into buying it.

well I am geting it for sure. my step mother well let me get sim games.  ;D tehehe

Reading all this about TSR and SecuROM and things has changed my mind. I'm not giving my money to a company whose lack of business sense is so blatant that even I mumble "shame, shame." Piracy is out of the question, though. Maybe I'll buy it anyways.

After reading info on all the sims 3 will be lacking in the community, I have no interest. Looks like EA is teaming with TSR (if you believe that) giving exclusive rights to the "developers tool" that will enable creators to make new CC. Then if you want something new for your game, you can fork over your cash to Thoma$$ @ TSR and get it. How nice of them?

Since EA wants to control all aspects of sharing and creating, then the community will not be the same, and I know my game will be awful cause I will not pay 50 dollars for a game, then be charged who knows what, to get some cc in.  1bleh  1swear

i have had a very bad feeling from the get go that game is not gonna sell good. :-\




and this is the first only and time i will subscribe to tsr i'm just gonna download til my subscription runs out thanks to my fellow simmers who were kind enough to warn me even though i have read about tom i really do appreciate and thank my fellow simmers for warning me. ;D

EA Games has certainly managed to make itself about as popular as a soggy bag full of dead rat innards left stewing in the hot sun for three weeks, with not only the Sims community, but with gamers at large.

I agree that the only redeeming value about ts3 is the possibilities of a more complex trait system.
But that just isn't enough for me to have this abomination justified.
The graphics are mundane and make no improvements that have not already been made though the talent of CC creators.
You can get a much more realistic face on a Sim in ts2 using a downloaded skin than we see present in ts3.
To me, everything about this game screams that it is not worth the polycarbonate it is imprinted on.

robin not only did you just nailed it on the head but told the truth as well nicely said and i could'nt agree with you more. ;D

Reply#150 by Robin is now officially the greatest post EVAR, LMAO! But I couldn't possibly agree more. When you hear EA PR People talk about "They've been listening to what the fans on the internet want in the next game", You're left to wonder what message boards are they tapping for their info? Oh wait, the ones that whore out to EA, how could I not realize that?  :rolleyes:

They've been listening to the voices in their heads. That's their message board, and that one of the board of directors for EA.
Pretty blunt, it's about the money. "How can we squeeze out more money for this dying genre before it completely destroys itself? Put out another one!"
They didn't ask us about what we wanted in a game-they did it for the money. They just don't give a damn what we want. They want us to buy what they want us to play.
This is the perfect chance to make them eat dirt by not buying it at all.
It's not called a boycott-it's called "consumer discretion". If you like a product, you should be able to buy it without having problems using it.
That goes for every single consumer product in the world, from time immemorial. The first pottery basket had to be good or nobody would  have bought it.
In the real world, (not in EA land) products die every day on the shelf for lack of customer interest. The companies that make them either change them or dump them and call it a loss-and learn how to make something better.
There's no law that says that you have to accept shoddy goods from anyone-and EA should learn this lesson soon, if not now.
Spore was the first salvo, but probably not the last.

Why thank you Feisty and kaoz, any way I can oblige  :)

yep post #150 by robin is truly the best post of all time it's just legendary. ;D 1okay 1cheer 1praise 2yay


and i'd like to tell EA keep that evil piece of garbage of a game away from computer. :mad: :'(

Yups go robin! you rock!!!. 1rock

Mary made a valid point as well, I especially like the reference to Spore used. MAN was that game a freaking let down. And what pisses me off more is that Gamestop doesn't take trade-ins for PC games, otherwise I would have traded it in months ago. It's a prime example of EA forcing something down our gullets that they assume we'll like because it's from "The Creators of The Sims." Accept TS1 & 2 didn't have broken, boring, mundane gameplay. Now I'm not saying TS3 will be that bad, but it sure as hell isn't going to be what TS2 became, not unless they either overhaul what they're initially planning on shipping in June (fat chance of that happening) or allow people to make their own modifications to the game via CC and game mods, thus making what crap they put out better. Make no bones about it, The Sims 2 was a landmark game not just because of what the game offered out of the box, but because the users could tailor make the game exactly how they want. That's why it's called "The Sims"...Simulated life. No two people perceives the concept the same way, and no two people play the game the same way.

gotta agree with ya kaoz666. ;D

TeeHee, head banging smiley!  ;D


Speaking of spore...
I have just sent kaoz a link to a funny review of Spore.
I can't post it here due to 'Course Language' and 'Adult Themes',
But If any one else wants it just pm me.

The debate is getting realy healthy now so i'll fan the flames a bit more if i may.

Ea games are not as dumb as we like to think they are, they are well aware of the huge number of people who subscribe to paysites, and are probably thinking that this is something they can cash in on.

The fact that service pack2 for xp or service pack1 for vista are required tells me the game will be run via windows live. This could be just to activate the game as in Quantum Of Solace or used for an activation cycle.

Activation cycle means no unauthorised mods/hacks or custom content installation, and obviously no hacking the game in order to do so.

No doubt ea games have done their sums and agreed that the combination of people who are willing to pay for custom content plus those who are happy to play the game without custom content probably makes it worth releasing the game with all the restrictions included.

They are probably aware that a huge number of people will not buy the game for the above reasons, but obviously feel they can make up for the loss by selling custom content.

Any thoughts?

well roerzman you pretty much just summed it up there and was nicely said and i completely agree with you 250%. ;D

I agree with your assessment, roerzman-but with one little addition: EA has badly under-estimated the number of people who will not buy the game for any number of reasons. Their accounting is going to be off by several million when it comes time to add it all up.

For every one person who does want the game, there is one person who will not get it. More and more people are getting clued into the paysites scam, and are going to various other venues to get CC. As time goes on, there will be fewer people willing to pay for CC than there are now.

As a member of a forum dedicated to helping others rid their systems of Securom, I feel it is our duty to warn others of the problems in the game and help them rid their systems of the program that is responsible for a lot of grief for gamers. As an addition, I also inform them of the free sites availability.

I have never paid for one download in my entire Sims life, nor will I. I don't see the need for others to pay for it, and do not like the scam that is being perpetrated by EA and other sites that demand money for pixels.

It is a game, after all-not a washing machine. EA has a huge streak of greed that is being emulated by TSR and others-and they're being enabled to do so by EA's reluctance to back up their EULA in entirety.

The latest post by Maxoid Drea, (whether or not she was officially told to post it) gives a clue as to EA's wishy-washiness on the entire debate.
They just want to have their cake and eat it too. All at the expense of people who sometimes cannot afford their greed.

MaryH i really do enjoy reading your posts. ;D :D

Right you are MaryH. Spore, around 1.5 million pirate downloads mostly out of spite over securom. Yes they certainly under-estimate the public.

Well, I call the EA help desk so much lately, they know me on a first name basis! 1tease


Okay, but seriously ...one of the EA customer support team members told me that Sims 3 has now been pushed back until August, 09!1headwall

Actually, I'm kinda relieved since I just now started playing the game on my own computer! :-\

You gotta be kidding me! August? Oh, aren't the sheeple gonna go ballistic on that! I'm gonna duck into the nearest cave for that announcement.
When did they say they were going to announce this latest delay? June 2, or July 1?

man alive my heart goes out to each and everyone of my fellow simmers who preordered and has been excited for that game. :'( :(



boy at this point i think almost everyone will need to duck into the nearest cave for EAxis jackassory decision cause it's gonna be a real gripefest when it comes out lol. :eek:

I dunno, gripefest? I'm personally thinking that if this is true, it's time to break out the Mariachi band.

Yeaha, we have an August, any takers for November or December? Ya never know, the bums could be rewriting the thing, to many bad vibes, to many dollars that could disappear, to many heads on the block for another spore shambles.

Like I said before id be happy to wait till xmas if it meant completely rechanging those cartoony awful like sims. The rest imhappy with with just the sims are really bad.lol.maybe they have been finally reading our comments? lol. :D

haha mariachi band that's a good idea i love it. :D ;D

Ha! Reading all these comments I can safely say that it will be a cold day in hell before I let securROM anywhere (even still in the box!) near my computer and that TS3 is most defiantly out of the question for mah :rolleyes: I was thinking about getting it because I had thought since EA Games was pushing the date to June that perhaps they were re-writting the game and getting rid of the major bugs that all there games in the franchise has had, but no perhaps not perhaps what they are really doing it making the game even more worse and un-realistic or even worse maybe there considering putting some other dangerous software in it, to f__k our PC's up in even worse, It truly sends a shiver up my spine just thinking about what those crooks are scheming to do next, but allow me to retort and fan the flames even more do you really THINK that we the community, there economy would give EA one red cent after 2005 after the base game was released if they didn't allow CC? Hell No we would not, or I would not for that matter WE are what drives this franchise and makes them THERE money so they should take into account how WE the customers feel about there scandolous activites and they had damn well hope they allow CC and make it FREE or there going to see some very pissed off people knocking at there doors, sorry to rant and rave but I think if we spend money on this franchise we should be able to do with the game what we want and not what they restrict us to..thanks for letting me vent :D

Preach!

Oh I will, I will! :D I am not the type of person to just sit back and not say anything when I feel its my right to speak my peace in a shady situation such as this. . .

you go girl i like the way you think SimGirl20. ;D :D

i deffinetly will... this way i have 2 sims to play with lol... tht way when i get bored of one i have the other...
y i dont get is y they are making it longer to release it... such a shame, we cud already have it... :'(

Thanks Feisty32 :D

no problem simgirl20. ;D

If they were smart, then they should realize that it was REALLY a bad idea to delay the release...  Now way more people are going to find out about all the crap they are trying to pull in order to make more money.  I mean, first, they want to limit the number of times you can install it.  Akin to saying that at 100,000 miles, your car will no longer run, even if there is nothing wrong with it.  Also, they want to make sure that you can't change certain things in the game (CC).  Akin to saying you can only put OEM tires on your car, no matter that you live in Mn and want snow tires in the winter.  I already knew that EAxis was planning on selling additional content through their store...which is fine.  But, they need to make sure that there is no competition because their content sucks.  That's fine, too.  But *I* am not going to pay a cent for content.  Nor am I going to buy a game that has a limited lifespan.  And there is absolutely *NO WAY IN HELL* that I'm going to put a game on my computer that needs to communicate over the internet while I'm playing in order to function.  Call me paranoid...  Now, if they had something like a Sims-based MMORPG thingy, then, yeah, but that's not what they're doing, is it.  [is that many commas in a sentence legal?]  So, Sims 3, no unless it isn't what it looks like.  Sims 4 if it's MMOSims or not by user preference.  Custom content is what makes the game so damned good, so that needs to stay in order for me to want it at all, unless they add some adventure to it.  Maybe era specific simming?

im just worried about SecuRom cause it installs with sims 3 and its kind of a virus :P

Good God, sir, I do believe all my dreams have consolidated themselves into one specific idea. It'd probably never happen, though; it's not quite mainstream enough to sell to the unwashed masses.

Oh, and hey: imagine all the people who want to get The Sims 3, but don't have any Internet connection at all. It's more common than one would think. They'd spend $60, get home, open it up, install and then the game's all like "Uh-huh. NO." Unless, of course, they got wind of SecuROM somehow or they bothered to look at the min.req.s, in which case that's $60 less for EA. So it seems to be just a bad business decision all around, which is getting less and less surprising as the business world becomes more and more of a cannibalistic, self-mutilating mosh pit.

I suspect we're in the midst of a farce. A big, smelly farce.

There still appears to be a lot of misunderstanding about securom. I'll attempt to clarify it somewhat if I may.
Securom is a program, an application that can disable some of the core features of windows, it can't physically damage the hardware of the pc.it will shut down your dvd reader/burner and also your usb. ports if you attempt to copy their crap via a plug and play device thereby rendering your pc. useless.
To rid yourself of securom isn't overly hard, although i wouldn't recommend it for the novice.
The requirement for an internet connection is called windows live, that's why one of the system requirements is service pack 2 for XP or service pack 1 for VISTA. This has nothing whatever to do with securom, it's a windows application, securom is not,it's Sony malware.
Windows live is now a requirement of many recent games. It is used for product activation, and if written into the game an activation cycle or an uninterrupted link with the host server. (just like steam)

I hope this clarifies things somewhat.

I don't mind having to activate online or whatever.  I just think that it's highly suspicious when they want to have an uninterrupted connection to my computer in order for me to use their software.  It's like renting a house, but there will a van with blacked out windows parked across the street at all times...  As far as Windows Live, I may have some components of it, but I haven't seen it even though I have XP Pro SP 3.  In fact, just searched the registry for windows live and found 1 entry under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE>SOFTWARE>Clients>Mail>Hotmail.  And now I don't have any references in the registry.

Hmmm...  So my computer freaked out.  :eek:  Restarted last good config...  Entry is still gone, though.  Very wierd...

Try running an anti spy ware application if you have one,if the application is malicious it should sort it out,Spybot Search and Destroy is excellent for that, if you don't have it, download it, it's free.
As for securom, if it isn't messing anything up then leave it.It's my opinion that Microsoft will eventually release a patch to remove it.They appear to be less than happy with the thing mainly because it disables crucial windows applications and are probably awaiting the outcome of the currant class actions.
Microsoft have always championed the development of drm but got their noses badly out of joint over securom because it basically wrecks your pc. rather then just preventing one from copying a program with securom embedded.
What Sony have done is dust of the software that got them into a whole lot of hot water a few years ago with their audio cds,rewrote the thing for windows and insist that anyone associated with Sony include it in their software. The idiots are so tight and arrogant, they thought they could get away with using the same crap rather then spend the money to develop something new.

I was just looking for Windows Live entries.  I don't have any problem with virii, spy/ad/malware as I use multiple programs to scan my computer on a regular basis.  You can check my HubPages for a list of the programs that I use.  I removed Securom long ago...  Not sure how I got around windows live, but I seem to recall comething about it.  I'll have to get into my *stock* XP Pro installation and check to see what it has to say.  I haven't tweeked it aside from setting the Paging File, System Restore, Indexing Service and Temp. Internet Files.  Everything else was installed with default settings and all updates have been installed.  I guess it could be installed on use, but since I don't use Outlook for mail, Outlook Express at all, Windows Messenger, etc. it hasn't reared its ugly head?  MSN, Windows Messenger and Outlook Express have left my OS, so maybe that's it?

So do i already have this dreaded securom? :eek: I have all eps and stuff packs to date.
if so how do i remove it?

You will have to find the appropriate no-CD hack.  Install that and then you can go here:
http://reclaimyourgame.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=68&Itemid=40
You should back up your registry before you start deleting entries in part two.  Use File>Export to save...
Also it doesn't mention that after you find and delete the first entry, you can use F3 to find the next entry.

Good luck.

Its ays you can reformatt your hard drive? I think I did that already but reinstalled the games so I guess its back, its looks a bit complicated to me so ill have to get someone knowledgable to look at it.

You'll certainly know if you formated your hard drive,it's something you don't forget in a hurry, "cannot find operating system place windows installation disc in drive e and hit any key to continue" 

You don't want to reinstall the game as it is-that's why Securom is undoubtedly back on your computer-once you get a no-cd exe, you can use that to launch the game from, not the actual exe that uses Securom.

The instructions were recently rewritten for ease of understanding.
 
Reformatting the hard drive is probably the last ditch effort you ever want to do in any case-and in this case you don't want to.

That loses everything you have on your drive, totally. I would suggest you print out the instructions and re-read them. I do believe that reformatting the drive is only for completely wiping off the drive totally of everything you have installed and it is not one of the steps that is recommended in it.

I'll read them myself again, just to be sure. But if you really want to get it off your computer, have a techie friend read our instructions and do what they say, step by step. They're 99% fool proof, and in case you have any questions, you could even register and ask one of our techies to help you in this.

Edit: I just read through the instructions. I was correct-there is no reformat-just a two part removal guide, and it does not involve removing anything but Securom. You do have to pay careful attention to the steps but it is easier than reformatting!

In relation to formatting your hard drive, I install a new hard drive rather than format, to format doesn't remove information, it writes over it. To safely rid yourself of some obnoxious application it is far better to discard the old drive and install another,takes about five minutes, and they don't cost much more than a game.

I am definitely going to get it, but I am not giving up my Sims 2 though. I love them!!

Wellllll I know I may sound like a total hypocrite but I have decided since EA has announced that SecuROM won't be shipping with TS3 that I'm going to get it maybe a couple of months or a month after its release because here lately I have become increasingly more bored and bothered with TS2 I guess I am just getting tired of it and am ready for a change and something new and refreshing, I mean c'mon I am normally really phsyced when I get a new EP and I should have been estatic seeing as I finally finished my Sims 2 EP Collection but I was like "Ah Well.." so I checked my computer against SPORE (because I heard someone say on one of the other threads that if your PC could run SPORE than it can run TS3) so I checked and everything checked out good except I need atleast another Gig of memory or maybe 2? ;) so for the question of Who's going to get the Sims 3? I can safely say -->ME!<-- && Plus I knew I would cave and get it anyway but now knowing it indeed won't have SecuROM I am affirmed my decision to get it A.S.A.P ;D

SimGirl20 be careful hun cause chances are they'll probably put it back on the game at the last minute just be careful. remember how we were decieved when were not told or had a warning on suckurom when bv came out? ;D



i know i don't buy rod humble saying no suckurom for one minute.something smells rotten in denmark and it is'nt the limburger cheese lol. :D

 

You may very well be right Feisty thats why I am more than likely going to wait a month and read up on the general response of the community on how well others PC's take to the game or if they burst into flames because of EA's shady shenanigans BUT maybe Rod Humble is being honest this time and besides I installed BV just the other day and my PC is still intact because I haven't noticed anything off as of late so maybe my computer is protected against SecuROM who knows but thanks for the warning makes me still kinda shiver just thinking that they may change there minds and screw us all.... :(

i remember backing up my photo's,music,and my sims 2 on some cd's i know when i had to reformat my  computer and tried to install my files on my computer low and behold no files on the disc due to suckurom i hit the roof it was like an atom bomb had just struck my computer.  :(

Woah! that had to suck Feisty! so I was pondering this today I was wondering if when I get TS3 IF I decide I like it enough to un-install all versions of TS2 to make more room on my harddrive BUT before I do this go in and grab my downloads folder and drag it out to my desktop, do you think if I grow tired of TS3 (which is highly un-likely if its "as good as it looks" but still...) and want to go back to TS2 but need all my stuff in order to play my game like I want that I could just install all my games again and drag my downloads folder back into the Sims 2 folder and have all my stuff again, or am I sadly mistaken? :(

That's how it should work.  Having files on your desktop will slow down your computer, though.  Having a huge, complex file system may bog it down severly.  It's best practice to have only shortcuts on your desktop.  The best idea is to back up your game files somewhere not on your computer, though.  External hard drives are good for this, and many other things.  Adding another internal hard drive is an even better solution, though.  If you have a DVD burner, then backing them up to DVD is a much cheaper alternative.  If you are worried about problems with a burned CD or DVD, you can put the DVD back into your computer and check what is on it before you delete any files that you have placed onto the DVD.  If you're really paranoid, you can check the burned DVD on another computer if you have one available.

Thank you for your help VampyrMuffinMan but I feel like the easiest way to save my downloads folder would be just to pull it out to the desktop like I mentioned but if it slows my computer down..so be it I can just as easily place the folder back into the original Sims2 folder and free up the memory that way as well..but hopefully it won't come down to un-installing all my games just to make room for TS3 :-\ I will more than likely go and buy some more RAM before I even install TS3 anyway just to make sure I don't go all the way out into town and buy the game bring it home pop it in and find that I don't have enough memory to run it! 2gah better safe than sorry I always say

You could just rename the folder when/if you uninstall Sims 2.  No matter where you put it, it takes up the same room on the hard drive.  It's just that on the desktop, Windows is always checking it out.

A note on adding RAM...  If you have a 32 bit operating system (Windows XP or Vista) the limit is 4 GB, but the way Windows figures it, you will only see 3.5 or so.  So buying an upgrade to more than 3 GB can be a waste of money.  If you have Windows XP 64 or Vista 64, then you are good to add as much as your mother board can handle.  From the looks of the Minimum Requirements listed on EAxis, if you have 2 GB you should be fine under XP or Vista.  You'd be better off spending some $$$ on a supported video card.  (Mine isn't listed...grrr) 

My mother told me I couldn't have it even if I saved to buy it because our computers won't hold it which this one actually will. I'm mostly likely going to disobey her, save for it, and buy it anyway. ;D

Hmm I'm glad you told me that Vampyr because I was atleast going to get 5 GB but now I think maybe buying 3 Gigs should be sufficient to run the game and plus I need the space on my harddrive so an extra Gig wouldn't hurt, well I just hope I am right on JUST needing RAM and not other upgrades like video cards and sound drives and all that good junk but I think my video card and all that is good enough to run the game I mean didn't EAxis say that they were going to make the game so that it would run on 'your grannys computer'?


I hope your mother decides to let you get the game NightFiree, It seems like its going to be a pretty good investment seeing as there won't be any DRM's in the install... :-X

I bught a brand new computer this year with taxes for 2 reasons.... one so I can have my very own personal computer and 2..... so I can play the sims 3. I just got it... has an amazing vid card, lots of ram, windows vista, greqat sound card... Im ready to roll. I have been anticipating the release of this game for years. :D

Please don't fall for that old "granny's computer" line. That's been stated to pull in the gullible. Just try playing sims 2 B.V. on an old Pentium and you'll begin to get some idea of what's really required,
These minimum specs. that the game companies release aren't worth the time it took them to type it.
Start with at least a 2.4 core duo cpu. 2 gig ddr2, and a mid range graphics card.
Hopefully that should go some way to not using the install disc as a drinks coaster and taking to the 'granny pc." with an axe.

i already pre-ordered it, so i'll let you know if it sucks but anyway i'm already equipped with vista and the latest drivers so i'm good

If your pc. runs vista it should run Sims 3.

 1agree  That being said, you should definitely upgrade to 7 when you can...

No duh that you should upgrade to windows 7 when it comes out.
I will probably get it since they announced that they removed the DRM and Securom.

Misterphy i would'nt get my hopes up cause chances are they could possibly put it on at he last minute just trying to help here. ;D :D

We shall see...  Personally I'm not seeing being able to afford it this year, unless I get a job soon and I get my books finished.

i'm in total agreement with ya i just don't trust ea lol. ;D



there is no way i will put my computer at risk. :D

I pre-ordered the collectors edition :P

I never looked at the box till now....had it a month...and it's the collectors edition too :p

Well im a sucker so wil probally get it if theres any room on my computer. :kiss:

I learned my lesson after spending tons of money and investing so many hours with the Sims 1 and then dropping it to spend tons of money and investing many hours with the Sims 2 not to fall for another "newer and better game".

I think Sims 2 is fine and I've just learned more tricks and ways to enjoy it even more and I'm still learning more things about it. I don't think I'm going to get the Sims 3. What happens if Sims 4 or 5 comes out later on? Too much money for basically the same game is not really worth it to me. And what would I do with the game after I've dropped it for the next one? Just sell it for 1/2 the price? Personally, that's just too much money spent on one game. But that's my opinion.

Plus, unlike other games, the more you spend time on it, the more it develops. I think I've worked too hard and for too long on it to just drop it for another.

Moreover, I have checked out the new game and others here are right. While it has cool little add-ons like customizing styles for your furniture and clothing, it really doesn't stand out all that much from Sims 2. I think most of the reason its so hyped is because it's new. Plus, like others have said earlier, the Sims do look really weird. I really don't think there's much difference with gameplay and therefore I would feel like I wasted my money.


The Sims 2 CC definitely won't be wasted as many others, alongside me, have decided to stick with the Sims 2.

I recently installed Seasons and because of securom and the fact that all the mods I have and use are not upgradable, I'll stick with it. I gotta have mods and custom content to play, so Sims 3 is something I will wait and see. I'm not playing with maxis crappy people and no mods or cc.

I will buy it the day it´s released  :p, i just love the possibility of coloring everything. Recoloring in sims 2 is just too hard and everyone is too depended on other creators. With sims 3 even those who don´t have good skills in photoshopping has better changes making their game look like they want. I am going to miss many many of gargerous greations that has been made for sims 2 by the community and i hope that some of those talented people will carry on sims 3 and make stuff in that too.

But, im not going to buy twenty of expansions and will be disapointed if theres too much stuff backs when they can make bigger expansions. I already spend too much money on sims 2.

All right, consumerism has finally gotten to me. I've given my money to worse companies (never set foot in a Wal-Mart, though!), and I'm happy with my current trend of things. Get the game, buy a few EPs but not all, and keep playing the old long after you get the new. I like it. I... *sigh* ...am going to buy The Sims 3.

And I don't think the Sims look doughy-faced. They look kinda like me. Okay, maybe they are doughy-faced. But I'll be on the front lines of the mission to turn them into Sims of STEEL!

I still play the Sims 1,so I will definately get the Sims 3 :-XI still have 114 gb of free space on my drive,so I won't have to uninstall the Sims 2

I honestly don't think I'll get it.  I'm not even excited about it.  I love my Simmie's 2 and all my custom content.  If the community is able to make great and wonderful stuff for Sims 3, I might eventually get it down the road, a good ways down the road.

I'll probably get it, as well. In the interval I've been enjoying the "novelty" of playing a game that does not require the CD/DVD to be in the drive to play, Kalypso's Grand Ages Rome, another city building game.

If I get it, it will be long after it's been out, played by others, and creators have started designing my favorite mods and cc for it.  I thought Sims 2 was a massive improvement over Sims 1, and like many others I've spent hours playing, creating, and downloading, and have no desire to walk away from that.  Not yet. 

Well like I have mentioned before I have a verry short attention span so stuff gets really boring and repetitive for me and I am just biding my time until TS3 comes out and I am going to the store as soon as its released and snatching it up so yeah I don't really take into consideration what others have to say about something, if I like something I will buy it..not everyone has the same opinion about everything so maybe I will like it who knows but first things first I have got to get some more memory for my computer or risk un-installing all my TS2 games... :eek:

Since I have enough room on my comp for TS3 too, yeah, i'll probably get it

I am! I am bored with the Sims 2 at the moment and I am looking forward to something different.

I’m still on the fence about getting the Sims 3.

From everything I’ve read so far, I can’t help but get the feeling that they didn’t really take enough risks with this latest incarnation.

The more personality traits are great (though I think you can only choose 5, which I think sucks), the Create-A-Style tool is kind of cool, and the seemless neighborhood is alright, but I still feel as though about 80% of the game is just about the same as the Sims 2!

I don’t like that other families will go off and do their own thing by themselves, and there is still no height slider to make taller or shorter Sims! Also, some of the in-game object models and textures look almost identical to Sims 2 stuff to me.

Additionally, I’m pretty sure there’s going to be a truckload of expansions again, and I’m not sure I want to go through all that again.

I personally wished EA would have at least begun to move away, from the exaggerated cartoonish characters and animations, and try something even more lifelike, as what I’ve seen so far appears all too familiar.

I’ll wait for the reviews and a clearer picture on the games modding potential, before buying. :-\

Even the sims 1 once it got going had better looking sims!!!. I might still get it as im curious about the seamless neighbourhood, but im going to mostly still be playing the sims 2 . ;)

Sure I'll get It, I mean that is the "reason" behind getting a new computer. But that was way back before the release date was moved. The only problem is that I'll be on an exchange trip in Germany May 28th - July 6th.  :cool:

I am kind of intrigued. But I haven't been buying any Sims products since Bon Voyage. Or any other EA games, for that matter. Yes, since SecuROM. And I vowed to myself to continue my boycott as long as EA stays that disrespectful towards their customers. Of course I encourage everyone else to do the same. :cool:

Of course there are ways, if one is wildly curious... there's always the option of buying second hand (they don't get any money from it, but it is still legal). And of course removing the malware before installing it to my beloved computer. ;)

When I first heard about the sims 3 I was excited about the all the potential for new game play. That turned to cynicism when the stories about limited installs, online play, securom and so on started doing the rounds.
That has now turned to biter disappointment and anger as it looks more and more like a means to suck one into the pay for CC. merrygoround.
It is for that reason that I will not endorse EA's policy by buying the thing.
Perhaps in 12 months time IF they relent and allow CC. as per sims 2 because of disappointing sales.
To buy the thing on release is just endorsing their new CC./mod policy and will probably lead to even more stricter control in future games.
I would love the game, but I have to hold back and hope that my not buying now may add to the numbers and hopefully make them change their policy.

Don't run too fast, people (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,14987.0.html)...unless you're running away from this game. Oh, and you can haz SecuROM. Run, do not walk, away from this pile of doody.

I read that and now I'm scared of that steaming pile of crap, where before I was just contemptuous.

I'm not buying until they allow CC - not paid CC that is.

But rest assured, they will get their sales. Hordes of children pestering their parents will take care of that, since EA hyped the game pretty well.

I'm not buying a thing until I see custom content, and not their custom content!  When i see CC from the wonderful artists here, maybe I'll buy it. 1pounce

I was going to buy the Sims 3, WAS. Its been a long road, and much crap has gone on. And I was so pleased when I learned that Securom was gone from the Sims 3, at least the version you could buy in the store.

But then, I learned about EA and their greedy grab at the custom content. I am saddened, disheartened, and infuriated at this. That EA, is so utterly stupid, to take a game such as the Sims. And take one of its major aspects, and not only attempt to deny people the ability to modify it as they see fit for their personal enjoyment. But attempt to follow this idiotic and growing trend of nickling and diming the consumer to death.

Now I know that not all of us in the Sims community are from america, but its pretty safe to say that a good number of us are. And as any of you who pay attention to that sort of thing know. The american economy is in the toilet. Jobs are not easy to get, and I for one will not be forced to continually pay EA for games I already bought once.

Maxis has/had a pretty remarkable game for the most part, but its fundemental flaw is that after 2-3 weeks, maybe month of playing, you've done everything you can. And it gets boring. You need more content. And they design, mostly bland and drab CRAP. Okay. I will not shell out extra money to EA so I can have a Maxis made sweater, or couch. When that money, could buy me food. Or toilet paper. Or any number of things I could USE or NEED.

When it comes to the Sims, the modding community be it the normal, or adult portion, has always had the better imagination. And this is one of those times where FREE content is always better. Okay, I have TRANSFORMERS walking around in my Sims 2 world. They didnt cost me a cent. They are spot on accurate in terms of design and appearence.

Because someone in the community loves the game, and appearently loved Transformers enough to take his precious time to make them and put them into the game and share them so others can enjoy. And the same can be said for everyone else who I have content from. Though I cant recall the many MANY peoples names that I have content from. I have to thank them for taking their time and effort to do so, to make fix's to annoying behaviours of Sims, to the Sims they make, to fixing errors that even Maxis cant be bothered to fix with updates. And they make the blasted games.

And its pretty obvious that I am driving at the fact that, the modding community. The Sims community makes the game. And EA is making a HUGE mistake in what they are doing. Even if they do turn a profit, they are really doing something they shouldnt.

I for one, love to shape my Sims world to what I want. Thats a major portion of the game to me right there, so what if you have a whole world open to you. What good is that if you cant make it your own?.

I dunno what else to say really, unless EA changes its policy, which frankly I dont think will happen unless they have a PR nightmare created for them. Which would involve the whole taking control of custom content..and nickling and diming us to death and their TOS and getting bunch of forces like G4 involved and against them in opinion involved....Well, I just dont see that happening.

I wont get the game unless the stance on Custom Content becomes like it was for the Sims 2.

Erm....maybe you should read up on recent threads concerning CC, because TSR has a custom content tool that will be released to the community free of charge once the game is released.


BUT not everyone wants to mess with TSR as everyone else knows TSR and EA are in bed with each other. (as Jenna says) ;D I bet they will let the first app go out free and a couple of days/weeks later they will say "Oops we forgot to upgrade and tweak it a little so we are releasing an even better one, but oh yeah you'll have to pay x amount of  $$ for this one" :mad:

Oh, heh, there are new threads?.   :-[

I didnt know, I've kinda been very up in arms over this whole mess. Well, that and some other stuff. But this was like the nail in the coffin for me.

It's okay, don't fret. I'm sure there will be a means of creating custom content once the game goes retail, but also pretty sure if TSR as anything to do with it that idea will be quickly shot to hell. :p

Yeah, I've heard about TSR.

Its just, I dont get EA. Are they just stupid, or are they trying to kill their bussiness by destroying their customer base and franchises?

Yeah, pretty much in a nutshell thats what there trying to do. they pretty much have gone to the dogs since EA took over MAXIS but I guess they think that they will make there quota and then some because there will always be some thousand or so tweens or children for that matter who will beg mommy and daddy to buy them a bunch of useless crap from their almighty sim store. I think if EA was smart they would allow open source CC because there going to quickly see not everyone wants there high priced sim store garbage and would rather have some top of the line CC. I think I just might go nuts if CC can't be enabled and I can't have my make-up by Bruno..I love his stuff

So, we arent rising up and getting the torches and pitch forks because?

No, TSR has a mockup of a custom content tool. It doesn't actually do content any more than the mockups of Duke Nukem Forever let you play Duke Nukem Forever.

It's simple: EA lost half a billion dollars last year. Their stockholders want to have better results. This means that they will grab any free-floating dollar, by any means possible.
Customers do not count for EA. They're the walking dollar signs. That is why they've sunk to the lowest common denominator when Sims 3 is being released. They made it into a mess of crap so bad that nobody with a brain in their head will play it for more than a few months.
The CC will be sold for a price because they have the keys to the kingdom. You don't like it, too bad. That's the way of EA-money first, and last.
If there is any way to improve it, the modding community has to come up with it, and illegally by the digital signing that they sneaked into the code.
That's our last, best hope-but whether it will be worth the effort remains to be seen. The overall gameplay is so borked from what I've read that no amount of code smashing possibly will not make a bit of difference.
It will still be a piece of crap. EA did it wrong again.

I played the torrent version and I have to say this:


It is no where in the same realm as Sims 2. Even without CC, Sims 2 still has better gameplay. I am very upset ( I don't know why though lol). I just can't get into this game. Perhaps the Expansion Packs will improve it's many issues....such as....

1) No Community Lots (90% of them are only empty shells).
2) 75% of the animations are the SAME ones we've been seeing in Sims 2
3) No real creativity went into the game. I can think of a million things (as an actual player, modder, movie-maker) that would make the game so much more entertaining. Sims 3 is nothing more than a cheap exit into more cash by opening a joint CC factory with TSR.

EA completely jacked this game up. I can only hope another GameDev starts a new Simulation Franchise. And It WILL happen one day (and knock EA off the market), hopefully soon...