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To the moderators and administration:  If this topic is something that is not of appropriate nature here, I'll gladly end it before it gets out of hand, and ask someone to delete or lock it, whichever is better... but this is something that seriously needs to get out, because it's happening a lot to this very day... not particularly on this site, but around the community as a whole.  And it bothers me that it's being kept under wraps for so long...  :?

To the Sims 2 Community members everywhere:  please don't take this subject out of hand.  This is a topic meant to be debate free as the site rules state, and just a fair notice to everyone out there who may or may not have experienced this one way or another.  Help a fellow simmer out, and keep an open mind... it helps to prevent personal bashing and such.  :group hu:


Imagine yourself, just an average guy or gal, doing your favorite thing in computer recreation:  Playing The Sims 2.  You love everything about it... being able to create your own little cyber-people, dressing them up in all the latest styles you've found around the web, and living through/destroying their little lives.  It's fantastic, isn't it?  So fantastic, in fact, that you want to share what happens in your game with everyone else around the community.

So eventually, you'll find out the whole procedure in taking game pictures and how to share them.  Even moreso, you may learn a few tricks from those who've been taking shots for years and learn how to spice up your images with a few photo-shopping tips, or even learning how to pose sims in a way that people would believe that they were actual in-game interactions.  Not only that, but you finally figure out how to retexture meshes with your own clothes, and photo-skinning has become a breeze.  You've become so proud of your progress that you post your work around the web for all in the world to view.  In the end, you get some feedback, which makes you feel good and want to share more of what you have experienced in your gameplay.  It's a great feeling, right?

Now, imagine someone coming along... a "troll" of some sorts.  Only, this isn't your average troll.  This guy has an absolute hate for what you do in your own game for no apparent reason other than the fact that he hates anything related to your culture and style.  It's sad... he decides to take all his pent-up anger out on you, because you aren't doing what he wants you to do to your own game.  And not only does he tell you off, he personally attacks you just for the heck of it, and calls you out of your name, race, and birthright in the worst way possible.  All this because of what culture you decide to represent in your game the most.  Someone hand this guy a tissue, because he's throwing an absolute fit over something he can't control...

Want to know what's even sadder?  There's people out there doing this at this very moment, as I'm typing all of this up.  People, who in fact may be well-known or unknown, who in the shadows blast certain people for being who they are and for playing a game that seems a bit "one sided" in a certain culture.  Why?  I'll never really understand.  The Sims 2 (and other related titles) was a game based for anyone to play... why is it that certain people believe that only a select group (or groups) can play it?  It seems all the more puzzling... and all the more discriminatory when people troll over the fact.  This isn't the true principal of playing a game, now is it?  Doesn't seem like any fun if it is...

Now, in my experience as a simmer, I haven't had this happen to me personally... or if anything was meant in that way, I probably ended up ignoring it and passing it off.  Maybe because I'm an enigma at times... my sims are probably the most different looking things you'll ever see, as their extremely mixed in culture and race... :shock:  I don't usually say much about myself personally, either, so that's probably another wave of protection on my end.  But I've heard and seen from people who do share a common interest with me in my style get attacked for how they play their game a lot.  In all honesty, I'm a complete mixture of an "urbanite", "sub-urbanite", game fanatic, musician, anime-addict, culturally-interested person... in short terms, I'm one of those "weird" people you may see hanging around in random places, soaking in everything around me and not saying a word while doing so... then eventually re-capturing every moment that sticks out in my mind through my sketches or through my sims contest entries.  Most of the time, I'm showing off the culture around me, what I see happening in my life and while I'm in college, which is a good amount of ethnic and urban styles.  Considering my race, I'm a rare, but occasional, bird with all the different things I take heavy interest in outside of the usual stereotype.  But that doesn't stop me from what I love doing, which is implementing my style and my interests through my game.  

I'm one of the lucky ones, and I'm thankful for that... but seeing a few of my fellow simmers going through a difficult time bothers me a lot.  I often wonder, if people really knew who I was outside from my sims, contest entries, and the small amount of custom content I've shared, would I get the same treatment as some of the other simmers who are going through such a thing?  Or if it was the reverse, and I had nothing to offer, would that stuff happen?  Would people criticize me for choosing a cultural style I want in my game, or having a certain sims style suited for my own taste?  

Should I really care if people say such stuff about me?  Honestly, I wouldn't, because I don't know people on the internet that well... but I don't stand for anything that attacks me as a person, nor anyone else for that matter.  Some of the things said that have caused some good people to leave the community are pretty darn harsh, to say the least.  Is it because of fear of that person's capabilities?  Jealousy of the level of talent or ideas they have?  Inability to comprehend or relate to what they're showcasing?  Possibly.  It's also this type of thing that's bringing down the community in the first place... you've got people sharing their talents with everyone, and certain people come around and constantly ridicule them, or perform an action that sends some type of underlying message.  It happens a lot, even to the good people we all know.  

Some will admit it happening (or doing it), other won't.  But I just don't find that type of stuff worth putting up with.  We're all doing one thing in common here:  We're playing a game we like.  It may not be the same way in everyone's game, but we have a certain love for our sims, and we show it of in a variety of different forms.  If this type of attack or bashing is happening to you, report it to the staff where it's happening, or if there's none available, be bold and show the truth to everyone... I'm sure the attacker will stop then.  It doesn't matter what site you're on... no site should allow such harassment to keep going.  And if it does, then that's probably not the best place to be.  They may be the ones actually against you in the first place... the sad truth, but this happens a lot on the internet.

Anyways, this is something that has been held back in my mind for a while now, and it's been happening to a few good people I know of for quite a while now.  I know a lot of people may not want to read a huge blurb of text, but if you do get through it, what's your take on the matter... and if you've experience such a thing, do you ignore it, or stand up for yourself?  And if you're one who is committing the action of bashing someone, why do you do it?  If someone were to do the same with your work, does it make you feel like the bigger person?  Wouldn't you feel pretty bad about it if the same was done to you, or would you just keep on your merry way and troll everyone's work you dislike?  

Once again, I'm not intending to start a debate here... I just want to get a better understanding from both sides as to what's going on and why.  The only way we'll get better as a community is if we come on common ground and relate on something rather than going at each others' throats over something we can't control.  :angel:

Jealousy is an ugly monster. It's a known fact.

I saw a Sim someone had created, and the very first post was a bash. I denfended the creator, and the post under mine defended her also. She had explained herself in the post describing the look she was going for. It was Robert Downy, Jr. as Tony Stark.

Now, if anybody had read the Iron Man comic years ago when he first started drinking, he actually did look like that. I remember it well.

But, insulting someones work is pretty bad. Me, I'm in awe. I wish I could do the stuff other people do. I can't even build a house.

Quite frankly, I think this problem mostly just comes from the fact that this is the internet. You have idiots on the internet, and trolling and flaming is not unique to the Sims 2 community. Because of this, the problem will never fully disappear.

I agree with you, however, that maybe there is a problem that stems from the community itself. I've only had that sort of behavior directed at me once, and it was a ludicrous claim which I defended myself against and moved on from. I think if people did that more, moving on from and ignoring the idiots in the community, there would be less of a problem. When those who are "attacked" (I think that's an over-dramatic word) start to make a huge deal of it, it seems like it creates more of a problem.

Maybe I see less of a problem because I only choose to be active in parts of the community where this drama is less likely to occur. The only contest forum I frequent is InSim's, which is regularly drama-free. I have noticed problems in the picture taking community which I'm also fairly active in, however. This problem almost always stems from self-hate, however. You know, people talking about how nobody ever comments them on their pictures and saying "omg I hate this pic, look how bad it is!!!!" so much that it just looks like they're fishing for compliments. That bothers me, but again, I'm picky about how much I get involved. I'm somewhat of a hermit on my flickr, I'm not really interested in getting a billion people to view/comment on my pictures. I just take pics for my own amusement, and if people like them, then that's cool.

If more people remembered it only matters what they want to do with their own game, not what the community wants, then maybe people wouldn't be getting so upset all the time. I think people tend to forget that this is just a game and this is just the internet. I don't consider much of what I do art or anything, it's just me having some fun with my dorky little pixel people. I kind of wish everyone would just lighten up a bit every now and then.

I also will admire work of other simmers, I take interest in what others perceive as art or the best world in their own eyes. I will always praise any simmer for that reason, not out of sarcasm or fiction.  I have seen sarcasm for others work, but I could care less what you might think of my work. I am not sharing for the constant buttwork that likes to put others down. I am sharing to the simmers who do like my work, (which is not much, all I do is build).

Tenshii, I hope you are not giving any attention to those who do put people work down, they write just to get that. More often than not, they have not contributed to the community at all, other than to give an opinion that nobody should care about!

Jealousy= immaturity. Grow UP! :D

Thanks for the responses, everyone.  :angel:

NeeCee, it's not so much as giving them spotlight (because it's the last thing they really deserve), but to shed the light on those who don't realize it's still going on... in most times for some people, it's in a racial slur or heavily-implied stereotype, unfortunately, and this is where the line gets drawn.  I'm trying my best not to give trolls publicity they think they deserve, but for some odd reason, it still seems they steal the spotlight either way.  Bad little demons!  :tongue3:

Spongity, you've definitely hit the truth there... I understand it's going to happen no matter what.  It is the internet... trolls were probably the first thing to come into existence soon after it was created.  :lol:  I've definitely seen a good number of trolls outside of the community... in most cases, there's more trolls than active participants.  It's one reason why I stay in lurk mode anywhere outside of a sims 2 site, because it just isn't worth it.  I mean, c'mon, look at YouTube.  :lol:  And you do bring up a valid point on the "attacked" issue.  It's good not to dwell on it, but it does need to be addressed to a point.  Sometimes when a person is ridiculed on work, it's passable... the only time it gets difficult to do is when said person has not only been ridiculed, but their entire culture and beliefs splattered with slurs of any kind.  I admire any person who walks away from that without so much of a bat of an eyelash.  It's difficult, even for myself, especially since I have so much pride in my heritage and background.  But then I have to remember that these people don't know what the heck they're talking about, because they don't know me.  Easy to forget when you see choice words, though... after the history they have, it pretty much stings.  :( (I've been called a certain name, that shall not be mentioned, in RL, so believe me, it's terribly hard to get rid of that sort of resentment of it being said to other people, especially on the web.)

ekozski, the sad truth of the matter... like it's been said before, this happens to a lot of people.  I've even known a few somewhat-known people, in fact, to actually troll someone's work just for the heck of it.  Not one bit of helpful advice was passed, but snide remarks on what they thought was wrong were plainly obvious.  I lost some respect for said people when they did such a thing, and of course the creator was offended by the comments (as this was her creative take on a sim), but chose to move on afterwards with her simming.  ;)

That's another reason why I love the report button. Maybe it's a problem, or maybe my interpretation. If I think it sounds off I'll simply click the report button with a 'this may be a possible issue' and let the moderators decide.

I can't imagine why someone would tell you how to play your own game... but I have had someone make me feel like the way I posted was wrong... because they didn't post the same way. In the end it really doesn't matter. You do what you enjoy and the people who try to make you do what THEY think is correct can go jump. :p

Actually, Tenshii, she did move on. She chalked it up to an opinion. And, she's right. That's all it was.

I've only been a member here for a few short months. I feel very comfortable here. (I even have my very own Stalker!!). I do what I can to help people out. If I'm wrong, I learn something in the process.

As for people telling me how to play my game, never happen. I have a gay couple in my game that I play all the time. They are two of the most funniest Sims I've ever seen. I get a good laugh from them. My partner gets rather upset from time to time because I play the game too much. But, if I feel the need to escape into my personal space, I'll start the game up.

But, you know, trolls are just bored kids/people with nothing better to do than terrorize other peoples lives. Someone crying out for attention. And by replying back to them, we're just playing their game. In the end, it will come back to them. Karma. They never think of the long term. Only the moment.

I have very strong morals, values, beliefs that was instilled in me thanks to my parents. I thank my parents every day for my upbringing. I pick up my dad's picture and visit with him for a bit. Dad died six years ago. I call my mother four or five times a day to make sure she's doing ok. One day a week, I drive her all over town. Take her grocery shopping, Doctor appointments, anywhere she wants to go, I take her. I still tell my mom I love her before we hang up. I come from a very strong Roman Catholic backround. When to a Catholic school and went to a Catholic church.

Yes, this is the internet. Anybody and everybody is fair game. Including me. I'm an out of the closet gay man. I've had my share of ridicule. I've been called a lot of things in my life. But, I didn't let it get the best of me. I just thought I'm better than they are. And, I was. And, I still am. When I was younger, I was gayer than a clutch purse on Tony night. I dressed really different then. I didn't dress up in girl's clothing. I dressed up more or less like a hippie. And, I'd put on a tiny bit of blush, for effect. I was a beautiful gay boy. And, I got my share of giggles and finger pointing. I'd just look at them and say, "you know nothing about good taste," and walked away. Ahhhhhhh, to be young again.

I understand your anger and frustration, Tenshii. However, I am older than alot of simmers at this site, and in my youth, I was just as passionate about confronting people on how stupid or inconsiderate their spoken opinion can hurt or injure others. Take this point, while in college, late 70's early 80's, we had lots of campaigns from the Klan (I lived and went to college in Indiana) recruiting new members. They had also been burning dorms and houses of students they deemed inappropriate for higher learning. During one of the campaigns, I was tired of walking pass them trying to get to class, listening to their insidious, drone speeches. Since they were passing out leaflets and expressing students (well what they wanted was white, conservatives) to grab one. I went up and grabbed one of the leaflets, only to be stopped and be rebuked. Expecting this, I argued that I was a student and had a right to get this leaflet, also. Needless to say, I was on a list, which I didn't care cause I had friends from every race, creed, and walk of life.

The point of telling that little story, I would get so incensed and want to retailiate about every time someone would call me a name, it would leave me totally stressed out. I had to learn to ignore and to get them back by being everything they thought I couldn't achieve. Professors and school officials were treating minorities and unconservatives with different lifestyles the same way. I had one professor that told me I would never amount to anything in her class, she would never pass me. Well she wrote nasty remarks on my papers and would pass me with A's and B's on my term papers, but failed me on my final essay, and making it known to NAACP and (she didn't know I had political assets in the state) the state assembly in Indianapolis, she had to give me a passing grade on my finals and be booted from her job a year later.

All and all I am trying to say, once you mature and see the world for what it is, you learn there are other ways to combat what others may think of you or anything you do. Live your life, be the best you can be, and relieve yourself of the stress of worrying about what others think. Your mind will be clearer and if you do come across discrimination that affects your life or job, then you can combat it with the tools that are handed to you. There are always tools when you can outthink an opponent. I learned that throughout my years. :D

:smile bi:  I see.  I've even started to see a change in my self, especially the past few years.  If I were to hear this type of stuff when I was in my mid-teens, I'd probably be on an all-out tirade, trying to physically defend myself from people's words.  Definitely not the way to go.  I've also noticed how my anger has diminished over it.  I used to mull over stuff like that for weeks, because I was at my most vulnerable and self-conscious place in life.  Now, I'd just be mad about it for most of the day, but a night of sleep and a fresh start to another day makes me forget about all that stuff.  It really helps.  :dance:

I know I can't change the way people think... and I definitely know I'm preaching to the choir here.  :lol:  But in all honesty, it's really something I want to learn on both sides of the issue... hopefully in asking that, there will (eventually) be someone on the other side of the fence willing to tell their view on it.  I'm not asking for something to start a bash fest with.  Just so that we (those who have gone through said discrimination) can know why they (those who may do it in some way, form or fashion) choose to do it without so many assumptions.  One can always assume that there's narrow-mindedness, ignorance, self-hate, or just overall meanness to factor in, but just to be fair, I do want to hear it in some way.  :angel:

(Maybe I'm asking for too much right there, or maybe it's just bound to bring drama?  Don't want that to happen... I'm just a curious little George sometimes... hopefully it won't get out of hand. :laughing:)

Honestly, I don't understand how people can discriminate. It's about the person in itself, not about where they come from or what color their skin is. Of course those things are part of the person, but that doesn't make him/her any less or more than other people. In the end it all comes down to the way you act, what your morals, values and beliefs are.

But, looking at it from the other side, of course a lot of what is said, is just plain wrong. But there are also the cases where it was meant as a joke, but got misunderstood. The hard thing about the internet is, that you can't hear how somebody says something, and you can't see their faces.

I personally try to stay polite and friendly, and the only times I fail in that is when (it seems like) somebody is just plain lazy and posts in the (obviously) wrong section or asks questions that have already been answered 10 times.
Most of the time, I just choose to ignore the people that irritate me.
About creators and all, I can't imagine you being mean because you're jealous. Jealousy in itself I can understand, I'm easily jealous too, but seriously, these people are kind enough to share their talents with the world so you can make your game even more enjoyable, and you go and call them or their stuff names? And if you don't like something, just don't look at it and go search for something that you do enjoy. Apparently there are people who like it, otherwise it wouldn't be on the web, so just let it be.

So yeah anyways, what I'm trying to say is 'choose, and let choose'.
But don't go around 'attacking' people for how they play their game and who they are.

Peace! :P

My Daddy always raised me to speak my mind on all things and never hold back an opinion.

But I ignored him. :)

If I like a thing I'll say so, otherwise I keep my mouth shut. I mean, who wants to hear my negative bleating? When I do see the trolls coming out and flaming I want to respond with: "Nobody wants to hear that, buddy - just zip it."

But that only makes things worse. I've seen it. As much as it hurts, I think the best response is no response. I dream of the day when the trolls are reduced to posts like "Helloooo?? Is anyone reading this?" A lone, whiny voice, shouting in the dark...

Peace indeed.

Discriminating people have very little self respect or non.
I would not give attention to them.Of course,if you share something you created you should be acknowledged.If someone doesn't like it,he/she should not download it,that's all.
I feel a bit guilty because there was a tread about killing or torturing sims(someone said he put the babysim in the microwawe and it was fun seeing it exploding) and I expressed my ...disgust(it's not the right word,my english is poor) and I shouldn't have,I wasn't able to play for several month ,anyhow.
Tenshi,you are always very considered and warm person,it's sad somebody made you feel this way,but discriminating people have serious problems themselfs.
Me,I love diversity,different races,styles,fashions,colours.
It's good you took it up,thank you.
By the way,I love your avatar as usual.Is it d/l-able ?
Hundreds of huggs
alga

Hi, there!  Just another choir member here, but I can definitely relate.  These things happen when you get outside someone's "norms" - their definitions of the world.  The thing about the internet is it opens up windows to new things that you never knew about before.  Unfortunately, they'll sell an internet connection to anyone, even if the small-minded petty person isn't ready for the opportunity to play nice with the rest of the world.

I'm a moderator and creator at Simmergirl.com.  We make feminine things to turn male sims into female sims and let male sims live feminine lives.  You couldn't imagine the disgusting posts I've seen attacking our site; the outright maliciousness.  If I bothered to reply to these persons, I would tell them that nobody forced them to come to our site.  Nobody twisted their arm.  Instead, as a moderator, I take great pleasure in deleting their threads and/or posts, banning them, and deleting their accounts.  I have no patience for trolls and other small-minded prejudiced creatures.

Even if you don't like someones pictures or sims, why bother being cruel? As the saying goes, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

Or as another saying puts it:

 "It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

I suppose we all say things sometimes that come out wrong. I know I do.

I play the sims much the way my family and my husbands family are and is.  When we get together, with his family, it looks like a wonderful rainbow of everyone.   I am not exaggerating. It has been wonderful because now when I get to see my own wonderful older daughter and really cool son-in-law...I get to see more rainbow. And my grandkids are so beautiful.  So our personal family picture is made up of lots of blond haired, and American Indian (me) type folks, and Japanese. I wouldn't trade any of it or them. So I agree, the world has changed from when I was young, and I am one of the lucky ones to have so many folks, from so many cultures, make up my family, and make up who my kids and grandkids are.

People fear change and the unknown, so they do that. It is sad how much the world had changed. I grew up in the 70s and 80s when we used to play outside with kids in the neighborhood and used to worry about little things like toys, candy, tv shows and the like. Nothing like what kids worry about today.

Discrimination is an -awful- experience for anybody to go through no matter who they are, whether they're of different colors, disabilities, backgrounds, religions and the like.

Sims 2 is supposed to be a fun game for anybody to play however they want. To have someone come in to dictate how these people should play the game is bad.. Very bad. If anyone comes in to tell me how I should play my game, I do what I am good at.. Turn a deaf ear on that person!

Thanks Tenshii for this post.

I remember when I posted my Muslim Sim family on INSIM, everyone loved them and I got back up from the community. When other simmers saw interest and decided to make Islamic clothing, there was a few idiots on here throwing a fit. The sad part is I'm sure it was an active member or a guest who made a new "sn" with only 1 post to bash my religion and the clothing. What an idiot I thought. Do we honestly have to play the game to their liking? MTS2 is OMG I hate that site really. They allow members to bash your religions,sex,etc... I wanted to post my Muslim Sim family there and when I said " I'll report anyone who bashes my religion and sims" MTS2 said I was "threating" members! WTF. Anyway, love you Tenshii!and thanks for opening up this topic.

:angel:  Glad to do so.  To be honest, I wanted to do something like this for a while, but I couldn't get the words right... then it all suddenly hit me when a good friend of mine confided in me because of a racial remark aimed towards them.  I guess pent up frustration over it all just helped me to form something that's coherent to say the least.  :lol:

Seems like everyone has brought up good points with this issue.  Remain quiet and ignore them, outsmart said offender without use of normal anger, ...  It'll work in certain situations, that's for sure.  Just attacking them back in the same exact manner they did you doesn't do anything but make everyone else that's onlooking get p'ed off and add more fuel to flames.  Then everything goes down the drain, people get banned, and threads get locked/deleted.  Seen it happen on a certain small gaming forum that's long gone now, but I'm sure it's going on just as heavy somewhere.  :?

I actually met someone from school that was in the computer lab the other day who liked to start stuff online just for the heck of it.  (mainly on the notorious YouTube, but on MySpace, Facebook, and a few small forums she frequently lurks in.)  She said that people love drama, and love to be the center of it even more at times.  When she gets bored, she tries to ruffle other people's feathers so she can have something to keep her occupied while on the net.  She even said it's funnier when people just degrade down into 6-year-olds and go back and forth with name-calling and cussing (which is almost un-6-year-oldish where I'm from), then unintelligible and off-topic babble follows.  I asked her if she had anything else better to do on the internet than that... and she simply replied, "Not really.  And if I did, it ain't as fun as this."  If that just isn't sick, then there's a problem.  She has a really odd sense of humor... :roll:

Well, your friend has a point, Tenshii, that drama on the internet starts quickly and escalates even quicker. And when that drama does start, people tend to resort to 6-year-old-ness. I sometimes think that people enjoy the stupid drama, but I don't think anyone likes the kind of drama that involves racial, ethnic, or religious slurs. When it is the stupid kind of drama, though, people often take that waayyyy too seriously, and I'll admit that sometimes it can be a laugh to watch that. I doubt I'd ever go out of my way to start that, though, and anyone who does has way too much time on their hands XD

It's jealousy Marie. Some people feel threaten by others creativity and imagination. I would consider it flattery, cause people like that cannot reply to your threads or videos in positive manner. Misery loves itself and nobody else.

I love your videos, Marie! Please don't pull them!  I love all the work everyone do here. The diversity teaches me something new everyday, I am in awe at everyones creativity! Teaches me also! ;)

I was attacked by some Nazi sim Creator, bout my Sims being black or whatever race I have in my game.
I've been Critized about how I made clothing cuz they feel the cloths I had on my females was messed up, I didn't care wit they think of my work.
T, I really agree wit everything here, this is why I will never upload to MTS2 for the way they attack and treat people about how THEY want u to make or play your game.
I'm a Strong person, no matter what people say or think of your work, keep going, everyway u go, someone alwayz got to say something hateful.
I  love it here, I feel warm love at this site, cuz the people are so nice,  this site is a quiet place to share or post pics of your sims.
So to creators out there, keep doing your work the way u pleases to do.
As a Artist and graphic designer, I got alot of respect for u all......

God bless ya'll

After reading all the posts, I just wanted to say I agree with you. I was raised that all people are of one race -HUMAN- and are all equal. Maybe it is odd, but true for me. My own family is a mix of white, black,mexican, asian and others I can't even remember. My sims live peacefully with all other sims and marry other sims without regard to skin color or whatever,and I wish the real world could be the same. I feel bad that some people do not like anothers sims or creations because of their own ignorance.My own sims game is a mix of skintones and body shapes, clothing styles and sexual preferences, maybe it is a dreamworld, but maybe that's also why I call my custom neighborhood Dreamland.

Ok so, let me be blunt (and I'm in no way trying to be offensive or anything) but I'm white. So, as a child, I played with white barbies. When I play the sims, a majority of my sims (not all, I've got some other varieties in there as well) are also white. It's not a racist thing at all, it's just what I'm comfortable with. I don't even think about it, it just always happens that way. And frankly, to anyone who might be concerned, if the way I play my game offends you...I'm sorry, but it's my game. And that's all there is to it.

See I think we are somewhat programmed to hate. It's like it's hardwired in our systems. It's stronger in some, and weakest in others. Some people grasp straws just for the sake of fighting. You just gotta let it roll over you while you just roll your eyes at them.

Lol the funny thing with me is, I hardly ever have a sims family of all-whites. I'm white myself, but I'm redhead-white which means I turn red in the sun and never get a decent tan, so I always wished I was darker.
Honestly what I love most is mixing races, my sims couples (nearly) never have the same skin color. And I've always had this odd weakness for dark guys, dunno why. Also was really happy with all my dark-skinned Barbies because they looked different from the other ones in the store so they were cool! Still prefer the darker ones, so yeah. xD

It's really all a matter of personal tastes combined with upbringing. I just stick to the believe that you shouldn't force your ideas on others, and you should always stay respectful and polite (not that I always am, but you get the idea :P).

I think that there is too much self hate out there, that gets turned outward toward others.  If they can find a way to think they're better than someone else, they feel better for awhile.  But it doesn't last, because they're not facing their underlying issues, so they have to do it some more.  It's fear of the different (that they think makes THEM less) because they have no real self respect, which keeps them from having any empathy for others.  
Wouldn't the world be so boring if everyone were just the same?  Hang in there folks, Karma is real, and what goes around comes around :D
(personally, I greatly admire all the Sims artists whose work I've seen, and truly hope that no one gets discouraged by the fearful or jealous creepies out there)

I think these people who are insulting others for playing the game LIKE REALITY are just disgusting,there are millions upon millions of wonderful,happy interracial couples and marriages out there(I am a product of one:happy8:)I agree with the sentiment that many of these people truly have nothing better to do,my Simmies' hood is a very diverse place,with every race and color of Sim imaginable,all married to one another,I have generation five children who represent the African,Mexican,Italian,German,English,Gypsy and Chinese cultures all in one package(their parents are all interracial)they are amongst my most unique and special Sims,my interracial couples are the most interesting,especially after a few generations,then you can begin to see all of the features blend into one,the world would be a very boring and uninteresting place if we were all restricted to marrying within our race,that's why my game is so diverse,I always thought playing a pc game was just supposed to be a hobby,not yet another soap box to promote your antiquated values,it seems like people are trying to inject hatred into the game,and I am sure the creators and developers never intended that:sad4:Another thing that disturbs me is how people are using the game as a venue of violence by killing Sims just to be funny,especially when people ask how to kill babies and toddlers

im so glad somebody had the courage to post somthing about this terrible
[and sad] going on not only in our lives..but in everybody's lives
around the world. i admire you so much tenshii because you know how and when to say things [in a proper and respectful way] and that'swhy i look up to you so much. you're my role model..my hero.


i know what you guys talk about and for sure i can tell
you this:i really know how you guys feel. i live in the border between mexico
and the u.s. i am a mexican but go to school over here. i had been
in a private school since i was like in 1st grade and finally graduated
from the 8th grade last month. just this week i started going to summer
school in the public school to get used to it and know it better since im
starting out this year there. let me tell you this: there will ALWAYS
be people who want to make you feel bad and you know why? one word:
jelousy. people descriminate us for whatever reason just because we
are from another country or our skin color or physical features but not only this, also because we are better at sports or math or art.
let me give everybody an advice:there will always be about 10 people
around you. from those 10, 7 will be mean harrasers who will do practically
anything to make you feel miserable.but 3 will be the good guys, your true friends who will hang out with you because of what you hold inside yourself and will not bother to look at you defects because they'll be too busy looking
at the good side. hang out with those 3 people.ignore the rest.
the more you pay attention to "the bad guys"..they'll notice you care and
keep on bothering. even if you're burning deep inside with anger
and hate or anything like that..just take a really deep breath and
go on. dont let other people make you something you dont want to be.
if everyone is wearing white and you wanna wear electric blue..just do.
originality is what makes the world so much fun. be glad to live and
leap with joy everytime you can. believe me..you'll be so much happier =)

Last month I was attacked by a Nazi sim creator named Mystic Blue

it made  both me and my sister upset.



please read this note I'm gonna share wit u all



Sims was never meant to be a just a game played by just one particular race or gender... why are there a variety of skintones made for the game in the first place? Doesn't that mean it's been made for ANYONE to play, male, female, African, European, Asian, Hispanic, Native American, Indian, Pacific Islander... the list goes on. Despite what people think the usual stereotype of people playing this game is, all races, all cultures, all styles... ALL of them... are free to be in anyone's game per choice.




For someone to mock another person for what they have in a game file that's NOT on their own computer is a show of distasteful ignorance, something a lot of people now-days will not tolerate from anyone. People have a right to what they want to do with their own game, not what other people want them to do with it. Live with that fact. You don't want people criticizing you for what you have in your game, so why do it to other people? Think about it, and let it settle in.




I encourage any creator who creates stuff , please block Mystic Blue from your messages or insimenator page or insimadult page

be safe in the sim community and keep up with your sim work and don't let haters bring u down.


I'll never let hate bring me down, I'll be strong to the end

My Quote---- haters makes me Famous


love u people

Good letter.

haters makes me Famous Free advertising. Can't beat that.

thank u, I needed to share this wit the community about race in the sims.
Some people take it very serious and bashes someone's works just because they can't sim right. Jealousy is cancer to the mind, people shouldn't be jealous of someone's art, this is like Contest, if someone's sim don't look the way tha people want it to look, they have no right to bashs that person just because their pic isn't clear, We don't have to do what they ask us to do, it's their game, just like someone got the nerve to critize my female's shoes and clothing, I don't really care what that person says or thinks of my ladies clothing and how messed up their shoes are, it's my game.
also I was critized about how I take pics of my sims, cuz they stand around and don't do nothing,some need really keep their our thaughts to their self about my game and how I play, we all have our own sim style u know, it doesn't give them the right to tell u how to play your game and why do u have sims of color in it.
it's not just the sims , it's real life  of racisim around the world today, people are being treat because of skin color, I remember my first incounter wit a racist person.It was the 80's, I was 7 yrs old.
I was waiting for my mom in the checkout line in a  Supermarket, there I was minding my business and this old elderly woman, told me to leave the store cuz of my color, she called me the N-word and it really hurt me, my mom got mad about it and called the manager, the manager called the police on her and have her arrested for attacking me for no reason cuz I was only 7 yrs old at that time and didn't even understand why she did this to me.
As I grew up I'll never forget that day, cuz that was very wrong.
I'm glad this thread is post about Discrimination, cuz u gonna incounter people like this even if they are not racist, they are just trolls on the net to bash someone's art or music.

but in the end, we can battle these trolls by ignoring them good..


Alwayz remember to be strong and move on

keep your sims looking the way u want or imagine them to look.

I have 100% love and respect for everyone here


may god bless u all


Happy simming


NOTE: Anyone who read this, come forward and share your heart.

Yep, that's the internet. It brings out the true nature in many ignorant people, who would otherwise be too cowardly to voice their opinion. So they take it out on forums. Pathetic.
People are entitled to their opinions, but I wish more forums would ban the people who are belligerent.

Dude, I am very sorry to hear of this, and very sorry to know of that happening in the 80's.  I was a child of the 60's, and started school at the tail end of the "Jim Crow" era.  I remember my best friend at the time was a black boy who appointed himself my protector because bigger kids were always picking on me and it made him upset to see anyone get picked on.

Anyway, the reason I bring this up, is because of the water fountains in school.  They always had two, side by side, the cheap ceramic kind, and the metal one with the built-in cooler and the colder water.  We'd get a drink from the fountains, and he always drink from the ceramic one.  I asked him one day why he didn't drink from the other fountain with the colder water and he said because he wasn't allowed to.  I was confused, and asking him who told him he wasn't allowed.  He told me someday I would understand.  By the time I "understood," I was in another school across the state after my folks moved, and I had lost contact with my friend.  But I've never forgotten how sad he looked when he told me things like that.  Or how he smiled when I treated him like the good friend that he was.

wow, that's something.

U know these days ain't the same like they was back then, racisim still exist.
On the other part about the sims, I can't believe internet trolls alwayz got something nasty to say about people's sims and stuff.
look at MTS2, some people I know left that site cuz they got some negative people there, I refuse to upload at that site, Due to alot of put down and accuse and liars. Some claim if u report some one, they would tell u that,"oh u threating the members and stuff".... Come on Get real, that's sucks to defend the ones that start the put downs.
I was reading alot of threads at the site, I saw alot of drama and attacks on creators of their sims, I was like Wow, I never in my life saw so many people get attacked by trolls on MTS2, there are lots of them there, We have to ignore some of these people and move on, this is too much for the sim community to handle.
I noticed youtube is the same , they attack people sim videos,cuz their videos are not the way they want it to be, I think they should keep their thaughts to theirself about a person's video, it's their game and video, they can do it the way they wanna do it.
If the ones that don't support any other good creators, we need to ignore such jealous trolls


jealousy is everywhere it comes in many forms




if U or a friend u know was attacked or put down at MTS2 and was discriminated by trolls
Come forward and share your heart about happen to there, cuz insimenator is the a very peacefull place.


BEWARE OF internet TROLLS, they attack anyone

geezy33, I'm sorry you had to experience that at such a young age. There's just some things you never forget.

The only form of discrimination I ever experienced is/was with my brother-in-law. By me being an out and proud gay man, he'd love to see me get tied to a stake and shot through the heart. When my sister got married, I wasn't allowed to attend the wedding. I was a little upset, but I shrugged it off and blamed it on total ignorance on his part.

Every holiday we/the family get together for dinner and he will not say one word to me. He doesn't even so much as say hello to me.

When I was younger, I grew up with black kids as my friends. I learned at an early age to look beyond the surface and look inside. I was "color blind" at an early age.

What I still can't wrap my mind around is, how a person can tell you how to play your game. Granted this is the internet and I know words can sting, can bite and, can hurt. When someone bashes someone else's work is just a pretty sad pathetic soul. And, I've seen someone do it.

For most people, the game is an escape from reality, a place where the normal rules of life don't apply, a place where pixels are perfect. I totally enjoy playing the game. I can play for hours on end. The time just flies by. I've recently started learning how to recolor and share my work with everybody on here. I'm not perfect by any means, but, I'm learning.

The game is all about having fun, sharing and having no boundries.

geezy33, I've been to New Orleans once. I was attending Mardi Gras. I had to get a motel in Slidell. Had the time of my life! :D

Well, I feel your heart, cuz I have a sister, I'm very much close to, she confessed to me that she was a lesbian woman, I still love and accept her for who she is, she's my heart forever more. It's bad when some folks in the family don't really accept her lifestyle, i'm the only one love and support her, she can choose what ever life she choose to live u know,I was attacked by someone in the family about me being around her, I don't care who attacks me from being around my own sister I truly love and care for no matter what.
People are gonna  judge u by your character,Race or whatever life u live,just remember only god can judge u, not man.
I don't see myself treating someone badly bout their sim art,characters,etc.
Trolls don't even love people, they just keep on hatin', just like a friend of mines, posted a youtube sim video, she got attacked by some people and they told her nasty bad comments about how she made her sims in the video and how slow her video was, if she choose to make that video, it's not their right to attack someone's video, she did the right,reported alot of trolls.
I point back to MTS2, a good friend of mines, uploaded clothing there, they accused her of stealing, and she made those cloths, MTS2 omg, there are some crazy people there, one girl attacked me and called me weird for playing the sims, why am I'm weird? I love this game, this game is truly my world to escape from stress, it makes me happy alot.
Now I see that MTS2 got some rule, Called your Sims got to be made the way they want u to make it, COME ON", no one tells me how to play or make my stuff in my game.

if u are someone out there who was a victim of MTS2 or racial discrimination,Cuz ur gay,lesbian,black etc, come forward and share your heart in a non drama way but a peaceful way

remember we love u and respect u

I feel you all! I am sorry geezy that you had that type of drama in your young life, that is awful. I experienced the same growing up in the 60's and 70's. I was raised with a sense of pride, "black and I'm proud" was the motto of the day, so when an ignorant person attacked my ancestry, I would listen and correct some of their ideas with proof (took them to the history books). Made a few enemies, but gain lots of respect. I have friends of every gender, race, social groups, etc.  I love having round-table discussions with them on every topic, so I can understand where they are coming from.  That's missing, closed minds, no understanding.

The problems with MTS2 is unfortunate, cause they are missing out on some great work by harrassing the wrong people. They play favorites there, some of  their pets release some pretty horrible stuff also. Members just suck up and play along.  I don't say anything cause I respect others idea of good custom content.  I just will not download, post comments.  I wished the trolls would do the same.  I think they will not cause of jealousy, if they spent the time to look, think up a terrible response, and post it...then that was a waste of their time, therefore it's their fault.  I love the diversity of art simmers display playing their game. I think it highlights the diversity of life, which would be boring without it.

Keep going with you all bad selves, lots more people appreciate your work than haters, whom have nothing better to do but try upsetting people. :D

Trolls come and go, they lurk to attack someone's intelligants.
there's another site that put's people's creation and work down, garden of shadows, I bowsered this site I wasn't please how these trolls posted pics of other people's sims or work on that site to make them look bad.
I also bowsered MTS2 yesterday night, I saw threads of people being critized about their sims or skintones etc.
that makes people wanna pack their stuff up and leave the site.
I don't blame them for leaving, some sim creators have to watch out for trolls everywhere, simmers have in ever right to Defend themselves from haters, this really don't make no sense at all, this is like when  a rapper release a CD and he get's hated on about his CD and Now the same goes to Art and sim videos.

Someone made a beyonce sim video and they was hated on about the sim didn't look like beyonce, that was so wrong how they treated this girl on youtube,but she fired back and spammed them good.



If u are someone u know has been a victim of hate or a victim of mts2,

feel free to share your heart, remember, we simmers voices need to be heard''


happy simming folks

Thank you to everyone that's replied thus far!  I'm glad it's stirring up some thought about the issue at hand... I realize I can never change how people are, but I can at least say something that might make them rethink some things.  It's up to them whether or not they want to change... if they do, it's great for them.  But if they don't, their loss... just as long as they understand that it goes both ways, too.  :smile bi:  

And as to not let this issue go down the wrong road... please keep specific site bashing to a minimum.  I know it happens in those places, but this is also a site rule not to bash other sites directly (due to possible "site wars" = drama, and we all know our lovely admins HATE any drama)...  and I definitely don't want this to travel in that different direction.    Not saying as a direct defense for either side, but just as a topic saver... :angel: