Simmers' Paradise => General Sims 2 Discussion => Topic started by: ancienthighway on September 05, 2008, 06:48:50 pm

Title: Is SeeThem2 Right for Me?
Post by: ancienthighway on September 05, 2008, 06:48:50 pm
I've seen a whole lot of users asking for help, and as the game of 20 questions is ongoing, the use of SeeThem2 has come out of the closet, so to speak.

SeeThem2 does two things for a player:

  • It adds the censor.package to Downloads
  • It creates or overwrites Config\userStartup.cheat with the following entries:
  • boolprop snapObjectsToGrid false
  • boolprop testingCheatsEnabled true
  • boolprop allow45DegreeAngleOfRotation true
What this means to you the player:
1.  Anything you had in your userStartup.cheat file is lost.  Overwritten.  Gone.  Deleted.

2.  snapObjectsToGrid - This is a very useful cheat for decorating houses or setting up photo opportunities.  But when it is set while in Build Mode you cannot place doors or windows.  It will cause problems trying to place the Very Mysterious Shelving from Apartment Life.

3.  testingCheatsEnable - There is no harm at all in leaving this on all the time.  I've got it in my userStartup.cheat file.  I play with mine on all the time.  Many people I know have it on all the time.  

Where it "messes up my game" comes from is it will generate errors IF you have broken mods/hacks.  This is a good thing.  It tells you that you have a mod or hack that does not work right.  You have an opportunity to fix your game.

Why play with it on?  Besides finding broken mods, you can point and click on any motive/need, on skill bars, on personality bars, and on interest bars and drag them to where you want them.  You can do the same with the Short Term and Long Term relationships.

4.  allow45DegreeAngleOfRotation - I've got this on in my userStartup.cheat file also.  There's no harm with this one on all the time in any Mode.  Leave it on, go to place an object, and before the object is placed, use the < or > keys to rotate the object the way you want it.  EDIT:  It's been reported this cheat interferes with the placement or use of the new large aquarium that comes with Apartment Life.

5.  The last thing it does is put the censor.package into your game.  But it's a censor.package created for NL by Quaxi.  Quaxi's since created a version for OFB and for Pets which is compatible with every EP after Pets.  I prefer using the most current version myself.  I mean, if the old version was good, why are there newer versions?  There's a link on the FAQ page at Ambertation ( to the 3 different versions he wrote, along with a tutorial for SimPE to enable or disable the blur.

It's your decision on whether you use SeeThem2 or not.  Hopefully this has given you a little information that will help you decide if it's right for you or not.

Title: Is SeeThem2 Right for Me?
Post by: kathy on September 05, 2008, 06:55:10 pm
Thanks for writing this ancient. Going to sticky it.

Title: Is SeeThem2 Right for Me?
Post by: street07 on September 07, 2008, 09:09:43 pm
I don't usually have much to say... But this one caught my eye, as I recall  when I started Sims (1) and was looking for a censor hack I found (simsky's?) SeeThem. When I started Sims 2, that was the first place I looked, so I've used it for Years. I have always played with testingCheatsEnabale On (Watch it kids). Also, (good point Ancienthighway) If you Frist Use or Change settings in SeeThem2 it will Rewrite your userStartup.cheat file. I'd say Keep a backup of what you want and use testingCheats and snapObjects in game as needed.

Title: Is SeeThem2 Right for Me?
Post by: Theraven on September 09, 2008, 12:32:56 am
to be honest I go crazy if I don't have this mod (so luckily it don't need updates :D). Beeing able to adjust the bars is so good when I doo storytelling - like when I need them fainting or sleeping.

I never use the snapobjects part though. it's just annoying to not be able to place doors and such. I use the codes instead.

besides - with my memory I have troubles remembering the long codes...

Title: Is SeeThem2 Right for Me?
Post by: Bree2kool8 on September 18, 2008, 09:14:05 am
i love this mod! the only one i don't use is the snapobjectstogrid. it just gets annoying, so i'd rather just type in the code. aside from that i love it!!!

Title: Is SeeThem2 Right for Me?
Post by: lewisb40 on September 23, 2008, 09:41:46 am
Although I have used this mod for 3 yrs, I didn't know it adds the censor package to downloads. Would that affect my uploads?

Title: Is SeeThem2 Right for Me?
Post by: mizmudgie on September 24, 2008, 11:40:37 pm
I have used it since I started playing, I use the C them, and the 45 angle only.

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