Unfortunatly there are people from all faiths that have twisted concepts from their religion to better suit thier own agendas. I have known so-called devout christian men that dominate and terrorise their wives because they have interpreted the line 'love, honour and obey' to mean they had full power and control over them (and god damn the woman who forgot her place).

Funnily enough I once had a boyfriend who was convinced that I was going to cheat on him because I am a wiccan because his ex-girlfiend who was also a wiccan had cheated on him. Several police involved domestic disputes later I finally broke up with the paranoid jerk. Funnily enough I have never cheated on a partner ever in my life.

Your friend's 'wiccan' wife I shall put it bluntly is an idiot as well as a 'wanton woman'(trying not to say the S word here). Anyone who have even a rough knowledge of animals would know that there are quite a few species who 'mate for life' and there is even some who wouldn't even take another mate once that mate had died such is thier devotion.

I have learnt over time not to judge a person based on thier religion. My brother-in-law is muslim and although many people view this religion as degrading to women my in-law has shown me some beautiful passages from the Quran which shows the high esteem Mohummad had for women, partcularly his youngest daughter. And from my own research on religions in general I have come to understand that alot of the reforms Mohummad made for women which may seem overly restrictive in todays world were actually quite shockingly liberal during Mohummad's time (we should not forget that it was not all that long ago in our own society that a woman wouldn't dare go out in public without hat and gloves to 'cover' themselves). I don't think christianity had given women as many rights as Islam did although the Western world would like to think we did, truth is western women had to fight very hard for every right we possess now. I remember as a kid in the early '90's seeing on the news about the government trying to decide whether or not to abolish a law allowing men to rape thier wives, so you see we in the west are only relativly new at this as well.

I would like to see where you got this information from. According to all the information I have seen/read/heard on the subject Christianity began as a jewish cult sometime after the death of christ.

Unless you are referring to Judaism, then indeed you are correct.

Honestly, I've never considered the Happy Holiday SP to be particularly religious. Before my family became Wiccan we were one of those families that seems to be the norm of today, did not go to church, somewhat athiestic but still kindof believing in a higher power, cuss using 'oh my god' 'jesus christ' 'jesus mary and joseph' etc etc without it actually meaning anything, and most specifically we still celebrated christmas and easter as well (holloween isn't really celebrated in australia). Alot of people do, even fullblown athiest. These holidays in my belief have transended beyond their religious purpose and have become instead apart of tradition and culture of the western world. Even now that I am wiccan I still give out christmas cards
to my friends and even gifts to the junior members of my family(who are stoked that they get 'xmas' twice a year). And I'm not above getting wasted with my friends at their xmas parties either :wink:

As to religion in the game, as enayla said the game is so politically correct that the thought of doing such never actually occurs to you. I have the Happy Holiday edition of sims 2 and I usually try to give them 'xmas' in seasons midwinter but half the time I forget anway. But to me the xmas thing I try to do isn't about religion it is more about my culture if anything.

In my Medieval hood I have a convent and a monastary, but that wasn't so much trying to add religion in my game but as way of controlling the population in a hood that only has 'try for baby' as an option:D

As to these witches in AL, I actually never saw them as 'wiccan' witches, or even 'satanic' witches for that matter. To me they are more like the witches in such works of fiction like 'The Wizard of Oz'. I even like the fact that if your witch becomes sufficiently evil enough their skin turns green, as a wiccan I would consider it the threefold rule taking effect, afterall karmas a b****. There are some wiccans who consider The Wizard of Oz to be offensive to wiccans/witches. Personally I don't see how, firstly because the witches on the story arent stylised on wiccan witches, and secondly the story also has Glenda the Good Witch which demonstrates in the story that not all witches are bad, which if anything would give witches in general good PR.

I would like to state from the outset that I am Wiccan.

When I first started reading this thread I had reserved judgement because I thought that maybe, just maybe people may have taken something this DL had said out of proportion.

As I understand it from information on this thread, DL, a confessed christian and fansite administrator had asked in a post/email that with the coming release of AL and it's inclusions of witches that only non-satanic content for/about this to be posted on her site in respect of her beliefs, (which I thought was reasonable). In this post she uses up-side down crosses and pentagrams as an example of such.

When I read that I thought well she is not saying that AL witches or wiccans are satanic, she is probably just talking about cc, pics and stories with a satanic theme which people may be inspired to make because there are witches in AL, and maybe some overly sensitive people had probably thus jumped to the wrong conclusions. Although the mention of the pentagram did make me raise an eyebrow, but as I have come across people before who had not realised the difference between upright and upside-down pentagrams this it didn't raise my hackles. I thought surely if/when someone explained the difference the matter would've then cleared up, as I have found it has done so in the past.

As I read further I soon learned that people had in fact tried to explain this difference to her and she gotten narkyand defensive and had started banning people.

When I read that I thought that although it that was a bit extreme maybe the people trying to explain said differences to her went the wrong way about it, possibly in an somewhat accusitory and/or aggresive tone. I know if I was 'attacked' that way I could possibly become defensive and overact saying and/or doing things that I may later regret.

When I came to the post with the link to the pic of the deleted thread mentioned, I was both disappointed and saddened when I read the last bit of her first post where she lumps all witches together and calls them satanist. Not only is it ignorant and narrow-minded, but it is purposefully ignorant and narrow-minded which is even worse in my opinion.

Having said that, I would like to make something known. According to christian beliefs, the only true god is their God, meaning of course that any other diety/entity is a false god. Christians also believe that these 'false gods' are nothing more then disguises used by the devil to trick people into worshipping the wrong god and therefore into sin. Hence how witches/pagans came to be viewed as satan-worshippers, because we worship false gods, ie satan.

So in a sense, according to DL beliefs witches, be they bad ones or good ones are satanists. But then so are buddhist, or any of the native tribal/pagan religions across the globe. In fact saving ignorant savages souls from the devil was one of the excuses europeans used to themselves when they were invading...... oops I mean colonising the rest of the world. These days the western world just uses Democracy and the right to Freedom as an excuse to invade...... oops I mean liberate other nations.

I should note here that Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the same god, they just can't agree on the right way to worship him. (just in case someone ask why I did not mention them).

Back to subject.

As I am a firm believer in respecting a person beliefs (even if I think they are totally wrong and/or idiotic) and although it pains me to say this given my own personal beliefs but if DL believes witchcraft in all it's forms are satanic due to her beliefs and deems it unsuitable subject matter for her site then indeed she has the right to do so. Furthermore if she wishes that any discussion/debate of this matter to be removed off her site then she has that right too.

Sadly the ideal of respecting and tolerating other people's beliefs and notions sometimes also means respecting and tolerating people who do not respect and tolerate yours.

By all means I don't expect anyone to agree with with me on this (I wish I could *grumbles to self* damn moral compass) and you are all free to critique(bag) her beliefs and choices as much as you want in alternate sites/forums such as this thread. Because if she has the right to demand we respect her view and demands on her site, then we have the right to express our views where we are allowed, and to have them respected as well.

There is one thing I do believe that she did that she shouldn't have done and had no right to do, and that is sending a mass-email to members of her site stating her request as well as her position on witchcraft in such a horrible tone. If she wanted to inform people of her preferences regarding material put on her site she should have put a notice up where people can see it when they enter that site or put a thread about it in it's 'Site News'. But hounding her members all the way back to where they live (figuritively speaking) and shoving it in their face is not the wisest idea, particularly considering she doesn't know each individuals faith/beliefs and especially if she had wanted people to be considerate of her in this matter.

It always irked me that such a physical job like diigging had no inpact on a sims fitness, thank you for rectifying that.

Wow, I never knew this was a broadway show. Does anyone know if it as good as the book or better.

Step 1) Put a Wedding Arch on the relevant community lot.

Step 2) If you wish to go on honeymoon you must book one via phone or computer BEFORE you get married. Note# Option to do so is only available when you are engaged.

Step 3) Have the sim/s who are getting married visit the relevant community lot. Note# If the couple are of two separate households have the sim of the hosehold you want the other to join initiate the outing.

Step 4) Click on Wedding Arch and get married. Note# Although you can get married on a community lot you still cant 'Throw a Wedding Party' so if you want other people to be present you must invite them to the community lot as well.

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Whatever happened to Alex and her kids? Did they die too?