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« Reply #105 on: May 19, 2009, 12:27:59 am »

Dammit! just as it was getting interesting. Going back to the original thread by cruzer. There is a reason for the dull appearance, it's called polly count. The more pollygons the pc has to process the slower the game will run.
The aim of the game is to flog of the thing off to as many people as possible. If people are going to have to replace their old pcs in order to run the game then sales will drop.
Looking at all the previews I can see the game has enormous potential from a mod and CC, point of view. However if by some chance EA. lets go and allows us to mod the game as per sims 2 then the poor old pentiums that barely run the basegame are going to freak out.
Seamless neighbourhood games have been around for a while. Farcry and the GTA. series are just some examples, They run OK. on mid range pcs as long as you tone them down, but, crank up the eye candy and the things become unplayable.
This will apply to the sims 3. Keep it looking cheap and nasty and you can play it on an old el-cheapo machine. But start importing high resolution CC. and you're gonna have to start thinking about investing in something most people can't afford.
Going back to being able to replace the bland skins with some of the high resolution stuf we're all used to, I'm talking about default replacements. That will probably only happen if sales fall through the floor. Or they have to pull the game and rewrite it when this silly klepto. trait lands them into hot water.

It's less about polycount as it's more about texture resolution. And there's always the detail slider bar.
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« Reply #106 on: May 19, 2009, 04:34:13 pm »

I have watched the development of Sims 3 since it's announcement and the graphics direction they have taken. I do believe the less "realistic" graphics on the Sims themselves are not artistic so much as intentional for several reasons but one of which is mod content. It is no secret EA is very unhappy with the abilities of the modding community when it comes to the creation of adult content mods found in Sims2 (Ie: realistic body mods among others). My speculation is that the move to less realistic human looking Sims in Sims3 was done in part to curtail those kind of mods or at the very least make them less desirable.

This is of course my opinion as to why the move to more cartoon looking Sims.
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« Reply #107 on: May 19, 2009, 05:32:02 pm »

Keep in mind, too, sethdil, that they needed a new style to set the game apart from TS2. The Sims has always been a social sim with a (somewhat) whimsical, Utopian take on reality, and the cartoonish graphics reflect that -- even more so in TS3. It was the introduction of CC that allowed us to change our little pixel dolls into something more realistic.

...that's a somewhat-revised take on my opinion of the new look, to which I believe I posted in another thread as well.
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« Reply #108 on: May 19, 2009, 06:02:47 pm »

It's all part of EA's plan to keep the game "Family Friendly". So that the unknowing Soccer Mom doesn't walk in on her little 14 year old daughter playing a lot with a sim with rippling, bulging biceps. (and perhaps other parts as well.) It's smart in the sense that it makes the game more marketable to a wider audience, which you would supposed would translate to more revenue, but it's a double edged sword as well, as it totally turns off the users who prefer a more realistic experience. I personally see screenshots of TS3 and my makes me want to pull my eyes out of my head. The architecture of the game looks top notch, I'll give them that. But this sims themselves and their texturing, shading and overall appearance IMO looks like walking blobs of clay. There's absolutely no realism in how the game models look. One of the biggest things I myself look at in purchasing a game that allows customization is how deep it is, and how realistic what I make will look. Anyone here who is familiar with the Smackdown Vs. Raw series of video games knows that it's had one of the best character creation engines in the industry for over 10 years now. While you can't change skin textures, you don't need to because the textures in game are top notch, and it allows you to morph EVERY aspect of the game model's bodyshape. What you guy to have bulging muscles? Move the slider to the + range and it's done. Want a curvy, voluptuous female? Same story. It's so simple a 5 year old can work it, and so advanced that someone who's played the game for a while (As I have, being one of the top original character or "CAW/Create A Wrestler" creators on the internet) can come up with something like this...



And that's on the PS2. So tell me why for the life of me a console wrestling game has a creation mode that exceeds a social simulation game where one of the core aspects of the game in general is user customization of an avatar. No...don't tell me. I already know. EA's gone soft. Instead of giving the core sims users something that satisfies as far as gameplay, presentation AND visual appeal, they'd much rather give us something that looks "cute" that can be sold to any audience of users that either are just getting into the franchise or probably won't stay interested. They're banking on capturing a new market, and in doing so they've pretty much alienated the existing one that likes their games "real".
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« Reply #109 on: May 19, 2009, 07:11:48 pm »

It's all about being able to play the thing on any old pc. so they can flog it of to people with old at the end of their life pcs. Interesting though I read at MATY that some people there are having serious issues with some low end cards. Cards that are well within the specs. as in the so called test.
I've always had my doubts these so called tests and it is beginning to look that EA. has been less than truthful about these minimum system requirements as well.
Perhaps it's just card specific or perhaps a lot of duped people are going to be looking at a black screen and smoking pc. after 1 hours play.
I wonder if EA. will take responsibility for any pcs. that get destroyed by this game, installed by people whose knowledge of pcs. doesn't go much further than being able to turn the things on and of.
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« Reply #110 on: May 19, 2009, 07:25:52 pm »

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I wonder if EA. will take responsibility for any pcs. that get destroyed by this game, installed by people whose knowledge of pcs. doesn't go much further than being able to turn the things on and of.

EA won't even take responsibility for the inclusion of Securom in the past Sims 2 games, and you want them to take responsibility for PCs that can't do the Sims 3?  That's why they have four outstanding lawsuits about Securom pending right now in Federal court. That's how far their responsibility goes.

Not gonna happen. EA does what EA wants. If your computer can't handle it, "Tough titty, buster-get a better one and then buy our game", so sayeth EA.
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« Reply #111 on: May 19, 2009, 08:04:00 pm »

Saying that you are going to have to invest in a mid to top range pc. to run the thing will ensure that it gathers dust in the store.People just don't have that money anymore.
On the subject of gathering dust. Surely EA. realises that the sims became what it is because of the ability to mod it. If not it would have been nothing more than a fringe dolls house game.
They must be aware that this anti modding stance they have taken is going to polarise the community. The community that made them the success they are now was founded by being able to mod the game, exchange ideas and CC. It didn't mater if the mods were adult, that got an even wider group interested, people who normally would not entertain such a childish game.
Using these so called legal implications as the result of the Hotcoffee hack doesn't wash with me because they released several EPs since and as far as I know none of those were challenged.
If the sole purpose is just to corner the cc. market than it will split the community and ultimately destroy the game. As has been said by many people. It was freedom to create and share that made the game, Remove that and the game will self destruct.
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« Reply #112 on: May 19, 2009, 08:21:56 pm »

I don't think that an "utopian" take on reality can be reflected better with cartoonish looking people. Personally I doubt there is an urelealistic concept in the Sims series if one considers Sims have to make a living to pay the bills and eat, or make friends to get promoted etc. It seems to be rather a satire of reality than anything else.

From the pictures I have seen so far Sims 3 are unbearable to look at when compared to the Sims 2. I even find the default Sims 2 be better-looking and more attractive. Honestly, I don't know what EAxis is thinking. Why should they be unhappy with the modding community? What is it they find so scaring in let's say Ephemera's skins and make-up?

I have been playing The Sims since TS1 and have always enjoyed building houses. It was the custom skins, hair and clothes that made me playing TS2 so much and for so long, keeping buying one expansion pack after another and starting frequent forums like S2C and Insim. I see no point in buying a game with such a horribly-looking Sims. Yes, the custom skins and all have made Sims 2 such a delight that there is no way back.  Not to mention that I don't like these little signs over the neighbourhood which remind me of Sim City.

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« Reply #113 on: May 19, 2009, 08:51:59 pm »

Hotcoffee was a hidden animation in GTA. Sanandreas. When the main character is invited in by his girlfriend for some hotcoffee the house starts to rock suggesting the obvious.
The thing was actually written by Rockstar but remained hidden until some wag found it. To get it to run you had to download a mini program and then get it to run via command prompt, You could not do it accidentally it had to be a deliberate action.
J.Thompson heard about and made a big noise about it. Rockstar had to pull the game and write it out.
The animations were no more raunchy than what is legally  included in the Playboy games.
But Playboy is Playboy, you don't mess with them.
The difference is that so called adult animations are not included in any of the sims games. They are all produced by the modding community.
In effect any game that has two playable characters interacting could be modified to the extent where instead of belting each other they engage in a bit of rumptypumpty and then in turn be described by some idiot as a venue for pornography. 
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« Reply #114 on: May 19, 2009, 09:03:04 pm »

Keep in mind, too, sethdil, that they needed a new style to set the game apart from TS2.

Very true!

I think I will wait until I am old and blind to start enjoying this installment...at that time it will not matter to me how crappy the Sim characters look  Grin

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« Reply #115 on: May 20, 2009, 09:03:40 am »

The difference is that so called adult animations are not included in any of the sims games. They are all produced by the modding community.
In effect any game that has two playable characters interacting could be modified to the extent where instead of belting each other they engage in a bit of rumptypumpty and then in turn be described by some idiot as a venue for pornography. 

If I remember correctly, even Hillary jumped the waggon when the hot coffee nonsense was boiling. And that's why I still claim they have their pants full. Not only EA. Better to produce ugly throwaway games with serious limitations than to be harrassed by some zealous pressure groups. EA will make their dough, even with ugly clay models, paid content and the no modding policy.
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« Reply #116 on: June 01, 2009, 03:06:42 am »

They got bump mapping on their clothes. But their skin remains plastic looking.

It lacks the ruggedness that everyone of us have, unless you're an extremely perfect supermodel that looks like a moving, talking, oversized doll.
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« Reply #117 on: June 01, 2009, 04:56:24 pm »

plus THEY HAVE NO NIPPLES!!!!!!
tha horror. lol, JK
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« Reply #118 on: June 01, 2009, 07:14:10 pm »

I was going to say, was that comment REALLY needed? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #119 on: June 02, 2009, 01:32:43 am »

plus THEY HAVE NO NIPPLES!!!!!!
tha horror. lol, JK

i lol'ed

male skins have nipples by default, but not the female ones
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