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[DaSpecial1]

I really wasnt as much moved not to buy it because of Cc issues.  My problem (I'd had one on reserve)  was the statement I linked to (on ea) from amazon back in feb that said it would be limited to 3 activations.   My comp has has different times when I've had to redo everything-- so $70+ bucks with limited activation & needing to be online to play?  No way.

That my biggest thing.  I know eventually cc will come.

[SimGirl20]

DaSpecial

Have you read the message Rod Humble sent in March to the community? he clearly states that the game will not have a DRM method such as SecurROM and the game can be installed via a serial code on the back of the manual such as all TS2 games to date and will NOT require an online authentication to either play or register but just in-case you didn't get to read it all through here is the link

http://thesims3.ea.com/view/pages/newsItem.jsp?item=-608201177

[Jenna]

Watch the talk about piracy and what not. Yes, this game will be cracked with startling speed, and a, erm, superior version will be available mere days after release; such is usually the case with overly-marketed swill. That's where this conversation on that topic ends. Mmmk?

[ancienthighway]

...EVERYONE'S gotten pirated software on their comps in some way. How many of you actually paid the $500 it costs for Photoshop CS?

No, not every does have pirated software.  GIMP does everything I need and it's free.  No need to pay $500 or steal it.  OpenOffice does everything MS Office does, and it does it free.  Paysite custom content doesn't exist in my game.  I don't visit the pay sites, and I don't download from share friendly sites.  I get my CC from free sites where it was made to distribute free.

Software engineers, the people that write the programs in the first place, are people with families too.  I've put in my share of 120 hour weeks to meet deadlines for a new version so I could put a roof over my family's head and food on the table.  We have bills we have to pay too.  It's not our fault management decides to market the programs we create in ways that prevent the intended user to have access to the program the way we thought we were making it and shipped our jobs off to India or Taiwan.

Don't steal.  Do a little searching on Google and find the honest freeware that we've made to compete with the money grubbers.

[roerzman]

I certainly agree with Ancienthighway, I use Avira, Spybot, and Zonealarm for PC protection, all free and never a problem. It's this piracy plague that gave us securom, online activation, steam, and a myriad of other delights to make to make installing new software a bloody vexation.
But this insistence by EA. to turn sims 3 into a paysite thing, I cannot understand or condone, I was hoping that for that reason the game would turn into a major flop, but looking at the numbers that go baaa baaa to TSR. and the rest I think it could turn into a major money spinner for them. ( no I won't be participating)

[kaoz666]

That's exactly the reason why EA has gone to the lengths they have as far as distribution, media and CC of the game, roerzman. To insure their ironfist on the game. TS2 they left generally open ended, and the game got broken down to an almost atomic level and reubuilt by way of mods, hacks and imported meshes into something EA and Maxis never intended. They didn't catch heat from it from the ESRB because it wasn't code on the game itself that initiated things, it was imported code. But EA still had their legal issues regarding things, of which anyone who knows the fiscal history of TS2 should remember all the legal stuff about the game that game up around 06-07. Keep in mind, this was RIGHT on the heels of the Hot Coffee Mod fiasco that Rockstar endured from Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. This put a strain on content allowed in games, and Rockstar lost MILLIONS in revenue because retailers were taking the game off the shelves. So EA in a nutshell decided instead of going through the paces of the same legal action all together, they'll just play the role of "Big Brother" and insure no one gets their hands on the code, or if one does it'll some months after the game is released, of which EA I'm betting will have some other fail safe plan in place by then. But in the mean time, the casual consumer who actually forked over the cash for the game will have to pay for it, and everything else. How do you think EA was going to be able to fund all of the potential security measures they most likely have planned to play in the coming months and years after TS3's release? From a business standpoint it's frakkin' GENIUS. From a consumer standpoint it makes you scratch your head and say "Hey EA, do I even really matter in the equation anymore?" In a nutshell, not really.

But AGAIN I say to the people who are looking forward to getting the game on release day, I do...truly and genuinely hope that you enjoy it, and I hope it's worth it. Because the game's not going to catch TS2 as far as content, quality of content (Unless it's from EA) and quantity of content for a long...loooooooooooooooong time. It took damn ear 3 years for TS2 to accumulate the vast database of CC across the thousands of sites be they free or paysites that hosts and distributes CC. For T23, that number of sites hosting CC will be woefully smaller, the selection will be even smaller then that, and as I mentioned before the quality stuff will come directly from EA, of which you'll be forking cash over to get. Not the kind of trade off that makes it worth my money, at least not until two EPs are on the market when I know I'll at least have some choices.

[roerzman]

Precisely what I have been leading at for the last several months. Sites such as this will be redundant insofar as sims 3 goes. It will not be business as usual after a couple of months.
The creation and distribution of CC. will be controlled by and large by EA. That is why they are so tight lipped about CC. tool distribution.
Surely by now intelligent people can understand the reason for the VIP. section in their store. If the CC. distribution can't be controlled then what's the point of having it?
As I said, the numbers are probably there to make the game viable, just look at the numbers that still subscribe to various paysites, and a lot of them through some misguided sense of right and wrong wont use the alternative booty outlets.
The holiday is coming to an end, this next game will be an entirely new ball game. ( no doubt TSR will be one of the umpires)
Let me put this another way. There will be no insimadult3 or sexysims3. 

[LE102071]

DaSpecial

Have you read the message Rod Humble sent in March to the community? he clearly states that the game will not have a DRM method such as SecurROM and the game can be installed via a serial code on the back of the manual such as all TS2 games to date and will NOT require an online authentication to either play or register but just in-case you didn't get to read it all through here is the link

http://thesims3.ea.com/view/pages/newsItem.jsp?item=-608201177

I do like the sound of that...  to an extent...  But at the same time, I am preparing myself for the *possibility* that when they say "The game will have disc-based copy protection – there is a Serial Code just like The Sims 2" they would not be lying if it were Sims 2: BV (and later.)

I have TS3 CE on pre-order...  just because I guess I am a sheeple to the extent of wanting the damn game so bad... lol   But, after being "burned" with SecuRom in the Sims 2..  and the fubar situation that became Spore (yep, bought the Galactic version of that, too,) I still expect to get raked over the coals with TS3.  I truly do want to support the 'legit' makers of the games I play.  As was mentioned earlier...  we are in a recession.  And that affects all of us.  The devs of the game need a paycheck just as much the next guy, and I just can't seem to wish them 'ill' ... you know?  I bought each TS2 EP and SP (with the exception of Celebration,) but I was using the community created hacks to circumvent their SecuRom crap.

That being said...  I still frequent the Booty...  and don't agree with the "Paysite Mentality" that has been a battle in TS2... and disheartened greatly with how TS2.com dealt with the TSR/MTS2 fiasco...  The TS2Store...  the new "lockdown" of TS3.  If the TS2 EULA weren't worded the way it is, I probably wouldn't use the booty.  No garantees on what the new EULA is gonna say. 

I'm torn...  I think I am aware of what to expect..   and it makes me feel kinna shitty that "knowing what I know" I'm still plopping 'top dollar' down for the stuff....  Is this what its like to be a drug addict??  lol

Peace

ETA:

Let me put this another way. There will be no insimadult3 or sexysims3.

I hear (read) that...  and realize the potential of it being completely true...  but damn I hope it isn't. 

Peace, again...

[MaryH]

Let me put this another way. There will be no insimadult3 or sexysims3. 

By that standard, EA will lose millions on this game. Even though they're betting against it, their biggest fanbase is adult. Not the tweens, not the young ones.

Adults who have a different take on their games, and if EA wants to make it as vanilla as they can get it, and without all the legal stuff that comes from the likes of Jack Thompson that gave them all the crap about the "porn" of CC that EA had no control over, they're going to lose the market of adults who did exactly what EA and he did not want or like.

Realism is half of what the CC content for Sims 2 is about-real skins, realistic looking sims and clothes. Not a mishmash of colors and effects that no decent creator would dare put in a game. As for the hacks that the "adult oriented" sites carry, there is enough of a demand for it so that they're still in business even after all the threats, and legal whining from everyone.

In case EA does not know this: sex sells. Even pixel sex. Sorry about that, but that is the truth in the real world, and in the gaming world.

If they do not open up the content for others to create with, this game is going to be very boring very fast. They made a mistake by letting it happen with Sims 2, and they will regret having closed the barn door after the horse has fled. Can't undo what has been done, and the comparisons between the content of Sims 2 and Sims 3 will be sharp and unending.

There will be repercussions of the decision to lock the code down to only select creators and only pay. It will lose many more fans when they realize they won't have the freedom to go onto a free site to download a hair, or clothes, or even furniture, because EA has the only code to do it with, and nobody else is going to.

It's up to EA to recognize this, but they won't do it until they lose enough money from the store, and TSR loses subscriptions from it.

In other words, a total boycott of the game would be the only way to get this changed. It has already started by many TS2 players refusing outright to buy the game, no matter what EA has done for the DRM problem, or activations. They're still not getting it, and players know it.

[Pierre]

Me in my case i am fully ready for the sims3 since i am 200% board from playing the sims2.

[SimGirl20]

I feel the same as you, Pierre I may have a short attention span but I can be preoccupied for a long time if what I'm doing interests me. I know when I first got TS2 DD I played the game exclusively without CC for months before I was like hmm okay I'm ready for a change lol, so I really just want to 'play' the game because I'm pretty patient (to an extent) and I can wait for CC to come along and until then I can either suffer through or enjoy what EA has created

[kaoz666]

It's safe to say there's for the most part a 50-50 swing as far as attitudes towards TS3. You're either looking forward to it's release or throwing rocks at EA for mucking up should have been something great. It'll be good, yes. But great? Not by any means. Mary hit one major factor in this on the nail. But by Adult Gamers, that doesn't necessarily count as age, it's more outlook. You have people in there 20s, 30s and 40s who play the game and like to keep it PG. Then you have those in the same age bracket who like to ramp things up with more provocative add-ons, all of which in TS2 where user created. Such will NOT be the case for TS3, which is at it's core what's putting plenty of folks off on getting it. In the end, the most TS3 is really bringing to the table is 2 sliders for body types, one large seamless neighborhood with no load times, a color wheel and sims that do more autonomously thanks to the traits system (And I'll be the farm that's going to need to be patched something FIERCE as time goes on.) That's not nearly enough to make me buy it personally. To those people who do see it as enough to make the switch, more power to you. I'll be waiting until about the time the 3rd EP is released when (Or shall I say "If") there's a semi decent amount of "Royalty Free" content available, and/or there's a more detailed and appealing means to create my own. And if and when that does happen, my CC will be free of charge. That's all I really have to say at this point. All that there's left to do is wait these next few weeks, see if any more info is released and let the cards fall where they may.

[roerzman]

Just in case somebody is thinking about it. There will be no sims 3 booty. The Robin Hood type liberties that a lot of have been taking with the various paysites will become very serious shit with the sims 3. No different to downloading naughty music etc. Read the EULA.

[saowens]

I'm not trying to burst some of you alls bubbles but if Pescado says that TS3 can't have cc or custom body meshes then I have to believe it just isn't going to be possible. Ever.

I'm pretty sure he knows what he is talking about.

[Alotta Paine X2]

When I first played the Sims 2, it was bare bones. The only thing people were doing were recolors. I remember my first dl. I was a shirt colored purple. What made me laugh was when my Sims turned around and the side wasn't colored. I remembered getting excited when you could put a picture on a shirt. 
I'm not saying hey when the game comes out I want my Sims doing it upside down, but the fact that I can't get a recolor from you or someone else. I have to pay for a recolor?  Yes we are a society that wants it fast and we want it tomorrow. I'm not s***ing on ppl who want the game. Hell I'm still one the fence. I want it I don't it's bad blah blah.
One of the great things about the Sims are the people. A lot of ppl are friends because of the boards. Some ppl actually met on the boards and fell in love and are having babies. It's a game that brought us together. I'm more of a lurker. I like to read what's going on. I don't say much because sometimes someone else beats me to the punch. Makes no sense to repeat what they said. I guess we can agree to disagree. You all have your strong opinions on the matter, as do I. Some are going to sh*t on it, some are going to wait and see, and some are going to jump and get it. My last 3 cents I'm broke.

Mod Edit: watch the language.