Paysite Discussion Thread
djslippyman:
Ea's response that clears it up rather well.
http://www.noukiesims2.net/EAconfirms.gif
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"If you use a tool created by Electronica Arts and wish to charge money for the content created with that tool afterwards then you are in violation of US copyright law. (several countries share and/or recognize US copyright law)."
Can we see some letters saying that it IS legal? (From EA, not letters from paysites own lawyers i mean. I expect paysites to think they are in the right).
I don't want to stir up the pot, EA has said what the LAw of the land is (as it should ethically be as well) and the community should enforce it without EA's assistance. If they do get involved it may be for a single site to make a point but I don't think it should even go that far. I think by posting paysite material at place's like PMBD for free (unless they would choose to be freesites in which case they would be removed), boycotting paysites to reduce their profits altogether, promoting freesites, and for establishing that paysites in general are wrong (which some people still are unaware).
If you don't want EA involved ( I don't think anyone really wants that) then discuss it here and put words into actions. I'm sorry if people think its a "sides" issue and that its smarter to be completely uninvolved and chalk it up to being just drama thats "tearing up" the community. Why is supporting freesites and discouraging anti-paysites such an issue to some people?
You don't want EA involved? Then stop hiding under a rock and get involved now. We're arguing this on a 100% freesite! How can this still be such a scary thought to people here? I see more people flipflopping on this issue here then I've ever seen from EA themselves.
djslippyman:
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I don't really know too much about the subject, but I do know that I don't want this site, or any other free sims site, sued and shut down.
Its a freesite, stop saying the sky is falling. Ea games has not gone after a single paysite and they won't EVER go after a freesite. Why would you think their statements would ever indicate that they would? If anything TSR by waffling might be a prime target but even then they might be overlooked to go after a sticter definition of a large paysite (Peggy for example).
kathy:
Why don't you read the entire EULA before you pick through what you want to use to argue your point. If you want to get technical any site that offers material that reverse engineers or raises the games rating would be in violation. That's because it doesn't fit into the great "paysite debate" and people only choose to read and interpret the things they wish to to get their own way.
Something of interest Battlefield 2.
Also...
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You may include materials created with the Tools & Materials on your personal noncommercial website for the noncommercial benefit of the fan community for EA’s products, provided this is beneficial to the product(s) in EA’s judgment, and provided that if you do so, you must also post the following notice on your site on the same web page(s) where those materials are located: “This site is not endorsed by or affiliated with Electronic Arts, or its licensors. Trademarks are the property of their respective owners. Game content and materials copyright Electronic Arts Inc. and its licensors. All Rights Reserved.”
Now considering the InSIMenator allows abortion, cutting parental ties which could be used to allow incest and whatever options Eric has in it now that may piss them off, the InTeen allowing teen pregnancies, InSIMadult, SexySims2, SpicySims all with their adult content how are any of these free sites not breaking the EULA?
djslippyman:
I just don't understand your argument. The EULA statement is still mostly and always insistant in many places that content should not be for commercial use.
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Electronic Arts Inc, and its subsidiaries, affiliates and licensors (collectively, "EA") grants you a non- transferable non-exclusive license to download and/or install and use one copy of the software tool ("Tool") and/or materials ("Materials") (collectively the "Tools & Materials") solely for your personal noncommercial use in connection with EA's products, in accordance with the terms below.
EA owns all of the rights, title and interest in the Tools & Materials. You may not alter any of EA's trademarks or logos, or alter or remove any of EA's trademark or copyright notices included in or with the Tools & Materials or EA's products. Your right to use Tools & Materials is limited to the license grant above, and you may not otherwise copy, display, distribute, perform, publish, modify, create works from, or use any of the Tools & Materials. Without limiting the preceding sentence, you may not modify, reverse engineer, disassemble, license, transfer, distribute, create works from, or sell the Tool, or use the Tools & Materials to further any commercial or unlawful purpose. Without limiting the foregoing, you may not use the Tools & Materials to promote another product or business, or on any site that operates or promotes a server emulator.
Again as InTeen, Insim, Simpe, etc are not being used commercially. I don't see how the EULA applies to them in away that they have anything to fear. I also think these programs clearly have many more benefits than any of the "grey" side mods that you are discussing. The only ones who make a big deal about these programs are often sites like TSR who ban links to Insim (and MTS for some bizarre reasons) because of the kiddies (and because they want to discourage people leaving the TSR to get completely free CC and real assitance with questions).
Again, the point is moot if EA does nothing and if they do anything it will be against a paysite.
kathy:
In all likelyhood they won't do anything about anything. They are obviously having the same problem with other games and will not even comment on it. If it isn't hurting them then why should they waste the time and resources?
Meh.. The entire thing is rather boring and pointless but basically if they wish to pursue the issue they could pursue it against modders as well. Frankly I am tired of all of it, both sides.
All of this bickering between sites, creators with their over-enflated egos and community members who think they are entitled to something just because they bought the game can fall off the face of the earth as far as I'm concerned as well. It is absurd that people are spending this much energy bitching over a game, a game that will be long forgotten when the Sims 3 is released.
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