Paysite Discussion Thread
djslippyman:
Well the key point is that any lawsuit would have to be for a reason. There is no money in suing Simpe or Inteen. How has the Sims been damaged by these mods?
Likewise if a site like Peggy or TSR which has a steady and regular income from being a paysite then EA would have a motive and a reason (to retrieve all those profits off THEIR game) to go after them. Plus they would only have to do it once to a big leaguer and other paysites would either go freesite or run for the hills. Also its the most likely in that they would send legal warning letters first before they started actually pursuing it in court.
These issues will continue into Sims 3 so I don't see why we shouldn't be discussing them and fixing the problem before it continues into the next game (where EA is likely to be more proactive and restrictive the next time if its still an issue).
There is no reason why the discussion level has to be at a hysterical pitch though. I really don't see paysite owners arguing for their existance in here on a freesite so I think the other "party" isn't even at the discussion table. They simply rarely take part in our community.
By all means if anyone dosen't like the discussion or the "drama" then you or anyone don't have to take part in it. I don't have a clue why people would take part in a thread that they aren't interested in or one where they've yet to formulate an actual opinion in one way or the other.
kathy:
Perhaps because these mods have raised the game from a Teen rating to a Mature rating? There is a reason that they won't allow discussion of these mods on the BBS and it isn't just because they don't like custom content.
And exactly how are you fixing the problem? It seems to me that people are only adding to the problem. There is no easy fix for this problem and since it has been going on since the Sims 1 I don't see it disappearing any time soon either.
People have two choices, pay for content or don't pay for content. Strong arming them and telling them how evil paysites are isn't going to solve anything. Ultimately people have to decide for themselves whether the content is worth the money and decide if they wish to go that route. Why anyone thinks it's their duty to tell people what to do with their money beats the hell out of me.
And in regards to your last statement, incase you haven't noticed, I own this site. I will participate in any discussion and in any manner I see fit. The only reason this discussion is allowed to go on is because I am allowing it.
miros1:
Quote from: djslippyman;836959
I really don't see paysite owners arguing for their existance in here on a freesite so I think the other "party" isn't even at the discussion table. They simply rarely take part in our community.
I beg to differ.
I ran a founding site, The Wooden Simolean, on SimsHost for 5 years. Although my participation level varied from time to time, I was active on a variety of boards (not including this one, silly me) and egroups for all of that time.
Greg Bennett ran all of SimsHost. Check the profile for "Chairman Greg," he's been here and active for quite some time.
Other than that, why should a paysite owner bother coming to a board to get themselves ripped a new one? Or they're incognito because they've learned the truth of "Don't teach pigs to sing. It's a waste of your time and annoys the pig."
djslippyman:
Well certainly. I'm not trying to tick you off Kathy.
The two options as you say (pay or don't pay) is correct. What I'm arguing is you can change the balance and I think it is having an effect. I'm not expecting TSR to shut down anytime soon but i think the smaller paysites are feeling the pinch in the wallet. Either they are doing this for the love of the game or they are doing it for the money. If its for the money they'll probably be rethinking that decision soon as it's drying up.
I don't see any reason for not being able to voice warning on paying for content as many people (lots of them kids) still don't know, the discussions are often stymied. It probably would make sense the voice it more on TSR then here but that won't happen.
Again you brought up that its a Teen game as it is. Should paysites be taking teenagers money (or their parents for that matter) if its not supposed to be legal? Is that fair to the kids?
I do think the adult content is kept away from the kids in an adequite fashion and I certainly don't see a tons of the modders are from that same age group. Of course their interests will vary as the Sims can adapt to fit anyone's interest and that's why it has been so successful.
Again I don't think a healthy discussion on the subject is a bad thing. It's certainly more interesting read then a 7 page thread on "What was your 1st EVER sim called? ". :angel:
djslippyman:
Quote from: miros1;836994
I beg to differ.
I ran a founding site, The Wooden Simolean, on SimsHost for 5 years. Although my participation level varied from time to time, I was active on a variety of boards (not including this one, silly me) and egroups for all of that time.
Greg Bennett ran all of SimsHost. Check the profile for "Chairman Greg," he's been here and active for quite some time.
Other than that, why should a paysite owner bother coming to a board to get themselves ripped a new one? Or they're incognito because they've learned the truth of "Don't teach pigs to sing. It's a waste of your time and annoys the pig."
Alright that's two examples. I don't see any posts by you in this thread so again if you want to discuss paysites plz pull up a chair and speak. I'm curious as how it is from the other side. I can understand how before EA made a decision it was a different existence but I think things have changed where its hard to say "I didn't know it was wrong".
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