Paysite Discussion Thread
miros1:
Quote from: SolidGoldFunk;838132
I don't know much about running a website but if they would allow people to redistribute their free items wouldn't they be able to free up space on their website bringing the maintenance costs down? I don't know...
1) If they're attempting to pay for their costs with ad revenues, reducing the number of page views where the ad is located reduces their ad revenues (or potential revenues).
2) God forbid, the creator makes a mistake in the mesh. If everyone and his brother is redistributing the mesh, how in heck are you ever going to help downloaders, who may be very inexperienced in sorting out mesh problems when there are 2 or 3 versions out there?
3) No creator worth his or her salt is going to delete his or her own work from a personal site to "free up space." Be real. Even if I gave SiteX "exclusive distribution permission," I'd still have a copy on my site. Poop happens, SiteX closes... you get the picture.
SolidGoldFunk:
I'm not saying delete all of the original files. That wouldn't make sense. I'm saying to rotate through the free files. They don't have to have all of them at once. Also, it's not that hard to select the files and their mesh for upload. It's not like I'm talking rocket science or anything. I know I received a lot of my custom content through downloading lots. Clean Installer is very easy to use. It's almost dummy proof. I just started uploading lots and I find it very easy to sort through the files that don't belong.
There is really no need to be nasty. I stated at the end of my post that I DON'T KNOW!
SolidGoldFunk:
Just another thought about the whole redistribution thing... I think that maybe the original creator can coordinate with other sites to host some of their files that way they can free up some space so they won't need as many donations. But whatever, that's just my opinion.
mintcookies123:
My thoughts about paysites have changed over the Sim years from:
1. Longing for paysite downloads.
2. Finding PMBD and being disgusted by it.
3. Finally stop caring, see the light, and go on a download binge at PMBD. LOL
4. Wanting to put an end to all paysites.
5. Not caring what happens to paysites, just as long as I get pay content for free.
I don't care what the hell happens to paysites. If people are stupid enough to pay for pay content when they can get it for free, that's fine by me. Peggy, Rose, Exnem and all of those other pay creators can be billionaires for all I care, just as long as I can get their content for free. :D
miros1:
Quote from: SolidGoldFunk;838162
There is really no need to be nasty. I stated at the end of my post that I DON'T KNOW!
I was not being nasty. If you wanna see nasty, scroll up and read my previous post about not teaching pigs to sing. I am not saying you're a pig that can't be taught to sing, like the poster I was responding to above.
In my response to you, I was stating simple facts in a blunt manner. You asked, I answered, now you know.
To continue answering:
Please lose the "free up space" concept. That's only valid for Yahoo! egroups or incredibly small hosting packages that are probably completely insufficient for a Sim site anyhow. Space on a server's hard drive is cheap.
The boogeyman of all Sim sites is bandwidth, which has to be paid for as it's consumed or the hosting company shuts the site down until the next month. You'll notice that Eric's donation drive posts talks about paying for bandwidth, not server space. The rules about file types and compressing submitted files are to reduce bandwidth consumption, both upload and download, not to save "space."
Your "authorized redistribution" idea is somewhat similar to having a "mirror site," where if the main site goes down, a secondary site takes over. All it does is switch around who pays for the bandwidth. I doubt many people have enough excess bandwidth to host very much of someone else's stuff. Not a bad idea, just not practical.
Example: I worked for a small company who once agreed to "mirror" a development tool for programmers. Big mistake. Their downloaders devoured the bandwidth we needed for our operations and company website. They were looking for another mirror within days.
BTW, I recommend that the non-creator commentors (which clearly doesn't include SolidGoldFunk, who makes very nice houses) on this thread try actually submitting something, no matter how simple. Taking something from a concept in your head all the way through the process of creation, import, checking with SimPE or CleanInstaller and in the game, screenshot, uploading, composing the post to describe it and give credit where due is not trivial. Yes, each step is easy, some ridiculously so, but each step is either crucial to the process or makes your creation more easily used by the downloaders. When you've done this process at least once all the way through, then we'll talk about who is entitled to make the free or pay decision for my stuff!
I'll attempt answer any questions on creation or submission. Just ask. Right now, I'm answering this thread instead of looking for an answer to someone's problem with screenshots.
My "anti-paysite rant," just to be even handed: If you're going to charge people, your product should be as close to perfect as humanly possible, or you fix it the first time there's a complaint (on technical merit, not artistic). I'm not the most prolific creator out there, but my stuff works in the game and does what it's supposed to!
I do contribute to paysites. I don't contribute to ones with a reputation for shoddy workmanship and not responding to complaints. I think we all know which sites those are. I also don't download their stuff from PMBD and attempt to justify taking all of it because some of their files are shoddy.
If I were going to donate for a particular item, I might download it to make sure it's good quality, then pay for it.
Rosalie A. Dieteman
Software Engineer
Rose/Miros
Former Webmistress, The Wooden Simolean, a SimsHost subscriber supported site
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