Paysite Discussion Thread
Marhis:
I think that this matter doesn't make much sense if extracted by its context; obviously any law/contract/etc. is bound to be discussed in court, but it does not pertain our issue.
Copyrights matter if applied on practical issues, like, e.g. EA wants to sell Beos/Marvine meshes to make money off their work; according their EULA they could, but for sure there's room for a debate, and a judge may sentence that EA has to share part of their income to the authors, because of derivative work and stuff, and despite what EA wrote in their EULA.
But in the present context, the fan community, this doesn't matters: the purpouse matters, not the technical details. Who cares what a judge may sentence? Beosboxboy (or Marvine, or Eric, or anyone else's) work is his work, no doubt about it: the community doesn't need copyright laws to deal with community issues.
Good sense and common courtesy (and gentlemen's agreements) should suffice in a community (any community): it's a social unwritten rule. It's when you came to business that these rules aren't good enough, and you need other, stronger, rules and apparatus to protect you and your stuff - and here's where copyrights and laws come at handy.
Paysites chose the easy way: long story short, instead of dealing with their rights, and business duties, they parasitized community social rules for personal money income.
It's all about mutual respect; if you want to be respected, you have to respect the others in return. If you don't, then you'll be left alone. Enjoy.
(p.s. "you" is in generic terms, not aimed to anyone in particular)
BeosBoxBoy:
Quote from: giggy6004;763700
EA is the exception but sites like Pandora sims have no interest of making content but stealing others and selling them.
Imagine them taking your bodybuilder meshes, putting them onto their site and selling them, you would be as mad as heck and I'm not joking.
They stole one of Numenors creations, Numenor complained to the site and asked to remove it and they replied stuff about the EULA (Which isn't there in the first place) and saying why they're going to keep them.
If anyone can back this up that would be solid gold
Actually, I wouldn't be mad, a bit annoyed that people would be so foolish as to pay for them perhaps, but not enraged. Marvine, on the other hand, I can't speak for.
I have no especial problem with paysites pandering my stuff. I don't even care if they credit me for my work. Again, I cannot speak for Marvine.
The days of my concern over paysites with my content ended when EA started including body and hair meshes in Sims2Packs of sims exported with BodyShop. Then it became a matter of deep concern that EA had advantaged themselves of my and Marvine's work. By this very act, EA made a de facto statement that it owns our work and is furthering the sales of their products through benefit of our work.
In responce to this, we had to make a very painful decision and change our usage policy completely for the benefit of the community, not EA. I cannot care less if paysites use my content when EA is making so large a statement that it isn't mine in the first place.
kathy:
Yakov you bring up a point that annoys me... The fact that, even if we make a mesh and port it into the game, it doesn't make the mesh any less ours yet they could take it upon themselves to include it. Now, I was told this so it may very well not be true considering the source, that some wall tv Numenor made ended up in University... or something very close to it. Now again I don't exactly believe the source considering she is a habitial liar but it would it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility that they have simply taken ideas from the community and incorperated it into the game after someone else already did it.. which has been done many times.
vanessa:
I like the beoxboxboy's reasoning,it's very logical to me.It doesn't means I'm promoting for pay sites,I never subscribed to any of them.But the most of them have a free area,and sometimes the things are very nice.I have 7 GB of D/L's,all for free.Of course,one can take position for the copyrights of EA games,but I think they can solve the problem themselfs.The most important thing is,this game encouraged lots and lots and lots of creativity.
I love this site and MTS2.
StrawberryKisse:
I for one do NOT life paysites. We already pay what 50 dollars for the game, and mabey 20 for expansion packs. Why pay more money, just to get custom clothing. Im sure their are alot of teens out there(like me) who's parents pay for the game, and would not pay extra money so that their child can download off a site. It makes no since. So im all against paysites. I am not one of the people who constantly bash them though(ive seen some of those).
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