Paysite Discussion Thread
PegasusDiana:
Quote from: Inge Jones;788988
So far they haven't even bothered to put one notice on their site confirming their disapproval. And they have them in their fansite list too.
EA are probably just regarding the whole thing as an extension of the game. A game about a game, as I am fond of saying. That's what I think some of the supporters of the filesharing sites feel too - they're having so much fun dressing up as pirates they'd be devastated if all the paysites became free sites and they lost their reason to do it.
I don't think your going to either. I got the feeling they are so disgusted over what has happened and all the drama, that they are just going to ensure it doesn't happen with any of their other games. But, I was also told they are gathering evidence...so who knows what actions they are going to take if any. I'm sure it takes time to subpoena pay pal records to see how much of a profit has actually been made, verses being used for bandwidth, etc...
BeosBoxBoy:
PegasusDIana, I know you believe what they said to you, but if you look back at my posts on this topic as early as May, 2005, I was saying The Sims 3 would be a closed system; how did I come to understand this? Because as a shareholder of ElectronicArts, I listened to the demands of the other shareholders for more profit from secondary sales.
PegasusDiana:
To be truthful I don't know who or what to believe anymore. This whole thing has gone off the deep end on both ends does that make sense? I think in some ways EA themselves have fueled it in thinking a little controversy=sales. I personally don't leave nasty comments in paysites books. I would never post or share anything I have purchased. I would never consider attacking a paysite's website. I have seen both sides do some very ugly things to each other. The only thing I have ever done is contacted EA to let them know I think the selling of CC is wrong on many levels and my reasons. Actually I contacted them not tech support, EA legal first to ask if selling CC was legal or illegal and was told it is illegal. I was also told at that time that EA is aware that several of their own employees are selling CC or working with websites that sell it and it was going to be dealt with. Then, I told them my feelings on why I thought CC should not be allowed to be sold and many of the things that are happening now where in my reasons. We have a war going on within the community and neither side is actually listening or talking to each other. Inge came up with a fantastic idea to help support sites that said they were only doing it for bandwidth. Nouk also did it right in starting a petition. That's how you bring about change, contacting companies, petitions, etc...not in the way it's being done. I have read and agree with many things you have said. But, I also agree with many things that have been said on the other side of the coin as well. You are also probably right on this one too. I said it when they called back in the new CEO, and read who he was...he is the clean up guy, just like Harry Stonecipher is. People know when he's called in there is going to be some division in the company. After that is finished a lot of people are going to loose their jobs, be laid off. That's what they do, they get the company back on track and making the profit they think they should be making.
Dr_Pixel:
Another point I wanted to bring up is this -
Everybody is fond of quoting the part of the Eula which says you can't sell custom content for the game, which it does in fact say. Although to be honest, it would be difficult to prove, legally, that most paysites are in fact selling the "content" as opposed to simply selling access to the site, except those few sites that do charge by the piece.
However, everyone convieniently ignores the part of the EULA that says you are not allowed to "disassemble" or "reverse engineer" the game contents.
Simply put, this means you can't pick-apart the game files in a hex-=editor or by other means, to see how they are put together. Without doing this, NONE of the game editing tools like SimPE or any of the mesh import/export tools would be possible.
Now, like paysites, this is an area that Maxis/EA chooses to look the other way on - but, the truth is that the vast majority of Sims2 sites, whether free, or pay, are in violation of the EULA in one way or another.
The only sites that are strictly in compliance would be ones that offered content made using ONLY the Maxis supplied editing tools - meaning clothing, makeup, and hair "skins" for use on original Maxis meshes ONLY (no custom body/hair/accessory meshes), Custom lots using ONLY Maxis made objects (not even user-made recolors of Maxis objects, let alone objects with user-made meshes), and custom walls/floors made using Maxis HomeCrafter.
Hacked objects? Custom Careers? New animations? No way! Almost everything you all love to download is in violation of the EULA.
Remember that when you ask Maxis to enforce their EULA...
BeosBoxBoy:
hear, hear! well said, Dr Pixel.
I have been singing that Cassandra's song for the past four months!
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