Paysite Discussion Thread
BeosBoxBoy:
it doesn't work that way - they take it to court, the judge levels a ruling. The judge's orders will be constrained by the letter of the law. under the Uniform Commercial Code, there is no leeway, no room for opinion, no grey area. The judge will say it is valid or it isn't.
If the judge rules it is valid, then the court will issue a cease & desist order to all parties, if the lawyers at EA choose to not enforce the full EULA, then the court will rule that the EULA has been voluntarily abandoned by EA, rendering all agreements invalid.
I find it difficult to believe that a major software company would voluntarily void its own EULA.
The law is not something which one can afford to be naive about.
pickpock:
Alright on the naïve part, but I still like being an optimist. And I can admit I know next to nothing about legal matters. ^^
I know most people don't share this opinion, but getting rid of the paysites are worth taking some risks. And sooner or later, this would have happened anyway. EA couldn't possibly have turned a blind eye forever.
But right now, what I think is the most probable action the legal side is going to take, is just to let this die down. Seemes like it would be the safest route to take.
Dr_Pixel:
You are making the assumption that paysites are taking money out of Maxis' pockets...
I would be more inclined to think that those people who can afford to subscribe to paysites can also afford to buy every expansion and "stuff" pack that comes out.
My real point is that you can't selectively use part the EULA as a reason to crusade against paysites while ignoring the rest of it.
No matter how you interpret the EULA, it (like all EULA's) is designed to protect the financial interests of Maxis/EA, it is NOT designed nor intended to protect the rights of the "end user" of the game.
Please don't take any of this to mean that I am not in favor of free sites, I certainly am. Everything I have made is available to download for free, and if you read my "terms of use" it pretty much says "take this stuff and do whatever you like with it". It's just that whenever I see the word "EULA" pop up as a reason to be anti-paysite, it makes my eyes glaze over. If you are against paysites, fine - but don't pretend to be defending the EULA when you really don't support it at all.
In any case, I too fear the end result as being that paysites will be shut down, and free sites along with them too. As BeosBoxBoy points out, Maxis can't legally do anything else.
Either that or they may just let it go until Sims3 is released, but not allowing any user-made content for it at all.
Just as they have done with "Sim Stories".
vanessa:
EA should be gratefull for the sites ,pay or free,it's PR for them.I wouldn't play this game without Eric's Insimenator or Inge's schrubs,not to talk about the CC created by very talented people like Beos,Kavar,etc.etc.etc.If they won't admit CC for Sims3 I 'll not buy the game.I don't understand the obsession with anti paysites,if you are against-just don't buy!I never do.
The Maxis clothes and furnitures are-unfortunately-very uggly,so are the hair styles and many other aspects .Sims are getting tired too fast,need the bathroom too often,what would I do without the hacks?How could they run a bussiness?I would play it for some weeks and goodby.I don't even know if the creators are aware of how much they helped EA to sell the game.The creators should get payed by EA!
And you,the ANTI people,cool down,try to take it out on something else.You are creating the swinging pendulum phenomena!
If EA would forbid CC,they would lose,but I (and many others)would lose too.I would miss playing this game!
Tenshii~Akari:
Many people are anti-paysite because of all of the crap that has been pulled by them (and not in content, mind you.) The little scandal about a few other paysites sharing customer info (a.k.a. the filesharer witch hunt), for example, is one reason I could care less if they ceased to exist at this very moment. At the time, I was actually considering using some leftover birthday money to get a few hairs until I read up on all of those paypal/subscription issues. No one wants their personal info shared among perfect strangers! (To this day, I'm still glad I put my money in the tank where it belongs!)
This is the way I think of it: For some, being against paysites is just a natural reaction. It's always been human nature to be highly critical of something we'd have to give money in order to receive. (Well, that's what my original reason for being anti-pay was. That was "many a moon ago." :smile bi:)
This whole issue is still very frustrating to me. Even when I first got back into sims over a year ago, I never could understand how someone could actually pay for something that would probably end up being deleted anyways. (And not being able to get it again without the possibility of forking over more cash...) It's not worth all of that trouble to me. I guess when money's tight, one tends to think more practically. (Trust me, I think I'm one of the few people in this world that hates money more than death, and would be willing to throw it away at a simple request... but I know that I need it if I plan on living day to day. :lol:)
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