Paysite Discussion Thread
BeosBoxBoy:
First, I want to stress I am not anti-free-site, nor am I anti-pay-site, not anti-anything. I am going to speak the cold hard facts of life.
On the matter of businesses sharing information about customers between one another, that is a perfectly legal -- albeit morally suspect -- thing to do. Only governments are constrained by privacy laws. When you consider the vast array of spy-ware that is grossly proliferated on the Internet, the fact should become readily clear to you. Even EA engages in this sort of crap.
On the matter of "customer's rights", it is perfectly legal to exclude or revoke privileges -- note the word "privileges" -- to gain access to a businesses. Only when it is done for reasons or race, religion, ethnicity, or nationality does it become a matter that has any legal "meat". Yet even there it is nearly impossible to win a legal contest since the laws are so heavily biased in favour of the business. Even EA will block a member from the use of their site for various reasons. I have been banned from the Exchange and the BBS since April, 2005, when I posted a legitimate complaint that TS2 was far short of the promised mark and suggested a boycott of EA until they came through on their promises.
This perception that EA "likes" us or is "our friend" has to end. As a former EA beta-tester, I can assure you they want NOTHING but your money for a game that will eventually be deleted off your hard drive any way (to paraphrase TenshiiAkari12). In the cold, hard light of facts, EA and pay-sites are both on the same footing here; however, some things that are categorised as "pay sites" by the extremists within the anti-pay-site mafia are in fact not. A donation gift is not a "pay item" any more than the Red Cross giving you a T-shirt for donating blood is a "pay item".
The up-shot of all this anti-pay-site sentiment has been to the detriment of all artists, free and pay. I have been forced to contend with defending my rights to my own work in the centre of this debate, I have actually consulted lawyers, spoken to judges, and done my very best to remain in the right of the law. I think that there is a great deal of fantasy and naiveté being pandered as truth and fact in the anti-pay-site argument, and, now as the dragon begins to wake, all sites are in deadly peril because of this insane cannibalisation of the community.
As an artist who has donated 10s of 1000s of hours to this community and this game, I can not express my disgust when I see sentiments expressed like "it is worth the risk". Obviously, I am not alone in this sentiment, but I am candid enough to say it.
As for me, since it is glaringly obvious that this has never been about logic, reason, the rule of law, or discussion, I am through with this, I wash my hands of stupid, vendetta-driven suicide of the Sims community. You will be able to identify me in the future by the sound of the laughter.
Baby Ronno:
I've never used a paysite, let alone even seen one. I found out about InSim and MTS2 by word of mouth.
vanessa:
Beos,I love your work,and I'm sorry you have to deffend it.I know you are not ANTI anything,artists never are.
But I wander what the militants anti pay want to achieve.The swinging pendulum phenomena is - everybody can have sim sites -versus - nobody can have sim sites.
It's bad sites publish info about the members,that's the uggly thing about Internet and that's the why I'm not using Paypol.But in this argument,creativity suffers,negativity kills creativity,the attention goes to the war.
People like me needs visual satisfaction-nice and various types of bodys,build things,furnitures,etc.the creative part of the game is very important.
EA should commit suicide if theyr game shouldn't admit CC.
minouz:
I have been following this discussion for some time now, and i usualy keep quiet. I`m more of a lurker than a talker. This is mainly because i`m shy of writing in English as it is not my native language so i appologise in advance for anny bad spelling. Over the last few month this has gotten realy ugly.
People are slandering eachother, attacks on sites and so on. I love this game and i love this community, i sometimes spent more time on the forums than actualy playing the game. I would hate to see it go down the drain. But that is what is going to happen if both sides don`t back down. Dr pixel, BeOsBoxBoy and Ingejones are so right. I`ts like when you were kids, playing with your toys with siblings or friends. as soon as you start to fight and bash eachothers skull in , your mother would take the toys away to restore the peace. I`m afraid that is exactly what EA is going to do if this doesn`t stop.
And we will all be left with nothing, like Inge said this will end in tears.
As a community as far as it still existst we are all gonna have to learn to play nice again, even if it it means you do not agree on some points, or we will all be sent to our room without supper.And please people let`s not forget what the fight s about , a computer GAME that is surposed to be fun and not envoke this pixelwar. I am ofcourse talking about the war between the paysites versus anti paysite not the discussion about the artists copyrigts to their own work wich is another discussion on itsself. Are these pixeldolls realy worth it, fighting,slandering, badmouthing, and hacking sites over? Again i love this game but this is mostly because of CC and making the game to your liking with it.I worship those people who make this possible,all the great creators out there.And I am pretty certain a lot of players share this vieuw.
Don`t destroy it because you have to be proven right no matter what side you are on.I will go quietly back into my luking corner but I had to get this off my chest.
purpledaddy:
I HIPPAA those remarks! :P
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