Paysite Discussion Thread
CynaraBlade:
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That said, I do have a question for those who are anti-paysite. What positive benefit do you see to the community that would result if all the paysites were gone?
There most likely wouldn't be such a huge rift in the simming community, for example. Honestly, I don't know of any examples of how paysites have benefited the community at all. It seems they have only managed to divide the community imho, and alienate a lot of simmers who can't subscribe or fork out for donation items because they are either not old enough to own credit cards, or because their financial situation is dire. Let's not forget those who know that paysites are blatantly violating EA's TOS, a point which I'm sure has been mentioned about 200 billion times over...
flyingpigeon:
Quote from: Dr_Pixel;787961
Personally, I have no problem with paysites - I don't run one, and I don't pay to download from them. There is more than enough to download from free sites, and the free sections of paysites, to suit me.
I also don't download from those "filesharing" sites - I think they do a dis-service by making paysite items look like they are a "must have", somehow better than free site stuff. I also think they are disrespectful of the creators. I don't see how you can respect any of the creators if you don't respect them all - the same work and effort went into an item whether it is offered for free or on a paysite.
That said, I do have a question for those who are anti-paysite. What positive benefit do you see to the community that would result if all the paysites were gone?
Do you think people would be more inclined to donate to free sites? I don't, most people won't voluntarily donate if they can get something for free. Look at the small percentage of downloaders who actually bother to even click the "thanks" button at MTS2 for example, and that costs nothing....
Going with what Nymphy said, you are right. TSR creators probably get more thanks than MTS2. Why? IMO, 1) People are stupid and unappreciative 2) You can earn 'kudos' at TSR for thanking people and leaving comments (oooh! then you can buy a TSR mug!) 3) There are no benefits to thanking people or leaving comments on MTS2.
To your point about donating to free sites, you are probably right again. People don't like paying more than they have to, but there are a few charitable people in this world (emphasis on few). If there weren't paysites (which I realize is incredibly unlikely), these charitable people could use the money that they would've spent on paysites (that are claiming to have bandwith trouble) to help out a struggling free site. Maybe. I can't say since I'm not charitable or rich :P
If there were no paysites, nobody would pay for content! It's that simple.
You've got a decent point about file-sharing too. It doesn't necessarily respect a creator's wishes. At the same time, paysite creators don't necessarily respect the EULA. And I know that file-sharing can be seen as 'two wrongs to make a right', but IMO, file-sharing is ultimately right. It makes content that (according to the EULA) should be free, free. It's like you said earlier. People won't donate if they can't get it for free.
Nymphy:
Quote from: flyingpigeon;788890
2) You can earn 'kudos' at TSR for thanking people and leaving comments (oooh! then you can buy a TSR mug!)
Aye the pigeon boy speaks sense.
The kudos system benefits the downloader more then the system at MTS2 - kudos at TSR can earn you a free subscription day vs MTS2 thanking a creator gives you a warm fuzzy feeling. Tbh, I really dislike the kudos at TSR...it puts me off from thanking creators, as then they will go pay - like Gelydh, who is a fav creator of mine and I download loads of her stuff, but dont thank her very much as I dont want her to become an FA..
Btw, do you as a creator receive kudos points for people thanking you? Just curious
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You've got a decent point about file-sharing too. It doesn't necessarily respect a creator's wishes. At the same time, paysite creators don't necessarily respect the EULA. And I know that file-sharing can be seen as 'two wrongs to make a right', but IMO, file-sharing is ultimately right. It makes content that (according to the EULA) should be free, free.
Liegenshiets (sorry cant spell) forum Garden of Shadows is file share friendly, but the members there still respect a creators wishes. Most pay meshes are included, but free are not. You of course still credit the paysite creator though..I do not agree with editing their content and claiming as your own >.< Er sorry went of on a bit of a tangent there, but I think file sharing is okayish...but giving credit is really important. If PMBD did not give credit to the original creators I would not like it very much..:tongue8:
Inge Jones:
I've decided I can't be bothered to stand in the line of fire any more just in order to be EA's unpaid legal department. I no longer run a freesite campaign forum, and I am taking up some of my old paysite subscriptions.
As far as I can see the community is in a far sorrier state now with site-hackings, guestbook trolling, mistrust and bitching than it ever was before this free content activism started and I'm pretty sick of the whole subject now.
Nymphy:
If thats how you feel Inge..
Your site and attitude was a nice change from others, you created postive change and supported free sites which needed to be done. I strongly hope that you take a break from things and come back to FFFS. :)
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